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		<title>By: Claudia Gladding</title>
		<link>http://biztoolsbrief.com/2009/04/07/one-of-my-pet-peeves-plus-your-own-social-network-software/comment-page-1/#comment-20045</link>
		<dc:creator>Claudia Gladding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for you post,  this site has really been an eye opener. I should just give up and take lessons from you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for you post,  this site has really been an eye opener. I should just give up and take lessons from you</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Stanley Marshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Stanley Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, Amen, and Amen!

The ones marketing like this are only looking for the BIG launch profits and then they fizzle out. Do you think they have long term goals for their software? Doubt it! They&#039;re support is probably just as bad (which I have found out the hard way). 

The only benefit is that they follow the advice of having a great guarantee. A company who is passionate about they&#039;re product will choose other tactics to sell their product other than hypey sales letters that are only geared to get the emotional buy. Personally, I would rather have an educated buyer who truly enjoys my product and is using it to it&#039;s potential.

Thanks for the post Paul!

Jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Amen, and Amen!</p>
<p>The ones marketing like this are only looking for the BIG launch profits and then they fizzle out. Do you think they have long term goals for their software? Doubt it! They&#8217;re support is probably just as bad (which I have found out the hard way). </p>
<p>The only benefit is that they follow the advice of having a great guarantee. A company who is passionate about they&#8217;re product will choose other tactics to sell their product other than hypey sales letters that are only geared to get the emotional buy. Personally, I would rather have an educated buyer who truly enjoys my product and is using it to it&#8217;s potential.</p>
<p>Thanks for the post Paul!</p>
<p>Jason</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 04:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it is one of my pet peeves as well. It takes a lot of ego or something further south to think that just because I got a free or low cost product that I&#039;m now going to hand over hundreds and even thousands of dollars for an unproven, possibly worthless or useless product without the benefit of a good sales letter, proof, testimonials, a trial and then pay method. It is not a business methodology I want to adopt.

Another peeve and one that has gotten me a few times is the PLR crap circulating on the Internet. I&#039;ve stopped buying anything that doesn&#039;t have the authors name on it or that even hints at not being an original product. It makes me aggravated to buy something from a wanna be or real guru only to find out they got it on a PLR site a few days later for pennies... 

What ever happened to a honest days pay or profit. 

Signed,

Not a sheep any more...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is one of my pet peeves as well. It takes a lot of ego or something further south to think that just because I got a free or low cost product that I&#8217;m now going to hand over hundreds and even thousands of dollars for an unproven, possibly worthless or useless product without the benefit of a good sales letter, proof, testimonials, a trial and then pay method. It is not a business methodology I want to adopt.</p>
<p>Another peeve and one that has gotten me a few times is the PLR crap circulating on the Internet. I&#8217;ve stopped buying anything that doesn&#8217;t have the authors name on it or that even hints at not being an original product. It makes me aggravated to buy something from a wanna be or real guru only to find out they got it on a PLR site a few days later for pennies&#8230; </p>
<p>What ever happened to a honest days pay or profit. </p>
<p>Signed,</p>
<p>Not a sheep any more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that I did find odd is since it&#039;s all about making money, their &quot;recommended&quot; ecommerce transaction provider charges over 14% for each transaction (low volume).  

What the....?  I thought near 3% was bad for some merchant accounts - that&#039;s a doozie.  Looks good but there must be more economical solutions out there and if not there will be.  I&#039;m building more manually instead.

Good concept but short on details as you listed.  Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that I did find odd is since it&#8217;s all about making money, their &#8220;recommended&#8221; ecommerce transaction provider charges over 14% for each transaction (low volume).  </p>
<p>What the&#8230;.?  I thought near 3% was bad for some merchant accounts &#8211; that&#8217;s a doozie.  Looks good but there must be more economical solutions out there and if not there will be.  I&#8217;m building more manually instead.</p>
<p>Good concept but short on details as you listed.  Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Kitty Jellinek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kitty Jellinek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 00:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paul,

It seems that we have a &quot;Pet Peeve&quot; in common.
I wrote an article several years ago &quot;The Sins Of Omission&quot;
You can find it at: http://www.kimbro.net/old/step_by_step.htm
if you are interested.
I have just concluded a lengthy process of getting a full refund for an elderly couple who got suckered into a deal originally for $1997. and ending up with ongoing expenses, upgrades, paid support etc. at over $20,000 - with {will remain nameless}.

What makes me irate is the proof of income shown on sites with no mention of expenditure to obtain the income.

There is great money to be made online without ripping people off!

I feel there should be more posts like your &quot;Pet Peeve&quot; as making people aware of what the scoundrels are doing is the only way to make them redundant.

Cheers,

Kitty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>It seems that we have a &#8220;Pet Peeve&#8221; in common.<br />
I wrote an article several years ago &#8220;The Sins Of Omission&#8221;<br />
You can find it at: <a href="http://www.kimbro.net/old/step_by_step.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.kimbro.net/old/step_by_step.htm</a><br />
if you are interested.<br />
I have just concluded a lengthy process of getting a full refund for an elderly couple who got suckered into a deal originally for $1997. and ending up with ongoing expenses, upgrades, paid support etc. at over $20,000 &#8211; with {will remain nameless}.</p>
<p>What makes me irate is the proof of income shown on sites with no mention of expenditure to obtain the income.</p>
<p>There is great money to be made online without ripping people off!</p>
<p>I feel there should be more posts like your &#8220;Pet Peeve&#8221; as making people aware of what the scoundrels are doing is the only way to make them redundant.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Kitty.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree regarding the sales (sucker) approach.
P.T. Barnum once said, &quot;Sucker born everyday and two to take
&#039;em.&quot; 
I can&#039;t help but get that feeling everytime I see one of those
product launches. Can you imagine how many people order the
product and then never touch it? I would be willing to bet very
few of those that don&#039;t do anything (usually out of fear or lack
of knowledge) with the product ever receive a follow up asking
why.
Excellent observation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree regarding the sales (sucker) approach.<br />
P.T. Barnum once said, &#8220;Sucker born everyday and two to take<br />
&#8216;em.&#8221;<br />
I can&#8217;t help but get that feeling everytime I see one of those<br />
product launches. Can you imagine how many people order the<br />
product and then never touch it? I would be willing to bet very<br />
few of those that don&#8217;t do anything (usually out of fear or lack<br />
of knowledge) with the product ever receive a follow up asking<br />
why.<br />
Excellent observation.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://biztoolsbrief.com/2009/04/07/one-of-my-pet-peeves-plus-your-own-social-network-software/comment-page-1/#comment-5349</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paul,

As for Web 2.0 social software, another great one is Pligg.com. It started three years ago (at least that&#039;s when I started playing with it) as more of a bookmarking, open-source software, but many plugins have been built for it, a forum of developers and programmers exist, and it has loads of tweaks and features (i.e. micro-blogging, networking within members, email subscriptions, etc.).

Great article, thanks for sharing. For the record I couldn&#039;t even get the NicheSocializer sales page to load without timing out - so I wouldn&#039;t have been able to buy it even if I wanted to.

Cheers, Laura Childs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>As for Web 2.0 social software, another great one is Pligg.com. It started three years ago (at least that&#8217;s when I started playing with it) as more of a bookmarking, open-source software, but many plugins have been built for it, a forum of developers and programmers exist, and it has loads of tweaks and features (i.e. micro-blogging, networking within members, email subscriptions, etc.).</p>
<p>Great article, thanks for sharing. For the record I couldn&#8217;t even get the NicheSocializer sales page to load without timing out &#8211; so I wouldn&#8217;t have been able to buy it even if I wanted to.</p>
<p>Cheers, Laura Childs</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

The whole hype-based launch formula has lost its appeal for me. I&#039;d love to have a few of the $2,000 packages (oops, I mean $1,997) but those are absurdly priced regardless of the gurus telling us these deals are all STEALS. The same info was once $297 or $497, or maybe as much as $997. The packages are produced better now, but I&#039;d swap the fancy work for a realistic price. All we&#039;re doing is paying for the affiliate to get half, which is also ridiculous. 

On the social sites, I&#039;ve researched nearly all of them and Ning is the one I&#039;m going with. Great controls and you can have all of the ad revenue for a monthly fee. And they&#039;re not a fly by night outfit.

That last point is a concern, however, as you mentioned the horror of building a social site and then seeing the company go under. In the present environment and by the very nature of the digital landscape, you can be gone quickly. Though, there should be sufficient notice with a large provider, or some other company would likely step in and buy the assets.

Some savvy entrepreneur might  have an opening here to build a script that would allow the downloading and converting of site data, so you could install in another platform or your own if this ever became a reality. Here&#039;s your product name: Social Site Saver.

If I&#039;ve got a big social community and it&#039;s bringing me decent revenue, I&#039;d have no problem giving somebody (here we go) $1,997 to bail me out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>The whole hype-based launch formula has lost its appeal for me. I&#8217;d love to have a few of the $2,000 packages (oops, I mean $1,997) but those are absurdly priced regardless of the gurus telling us these deals are all STEALS. The same info was once $297 or $497, or maybe as much as $997. The packages are produced better now, but I&#8217;d swap the fancy work for a realistic price. All we&#8217;re doing is paying for the affiliate to get half, which is also ridiculous. </p>
<p>On the social sites, I&#8217;ve researched nearly all of them and Ning is the one I&#8217;m going with. Great controls and you can have all of the ad revenue for a monthly fee. And they&#8217;re not a fly by night outfit.</p>
<p>That last point is a concern, however, as you mentioned the horror of building a social site and then seeing the company go under. In the present environment and by the very nature of the digital landscape, you can be gone quickly. Though, there should be sufficient notice with a large provider, or some other company would likely step in and buy the assets.</p>
<p>Some savvy entrepreneur might  have an opening here to build a script that would allow the downloading and converting of site data, so you could install in another platform or your own if this ever became a reality. Here&#8217;s your product name: Social Site Saver.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;ve got a big social community and it&#8217;s bringing me decent revenue, I&#8217;d have no problem giving somebody (here we go) $1,997 to bail me out.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Waugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Waugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just stopped by your blog and thought I would say hello. I like your site design.  Looking forward to reading more down the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just stopped by your blog and thought I would say hello. I like your site design.  Looking forward to reading more down the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Esquire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Esquire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for that post.  I thought I was the only one feeling the same way.  I would rather use one of the many social networking platforms that are already available rather then a bunch of hype and no substance.  I think the one thing they have going for themselves is the training aspects other than that forget about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for that post.  I thought I was the only one feeling the same way.  I would rather use one of the many social networking platforms that are already available rather then a bunch of hype and no substance.  I think the one thing they have going for themselves is the training aspects other than that forget about it.</p>
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