Why I am NOT Attending RJ’s Party at the Playboy Mansion
I’ve thought a lot about whether or not to post this — I know posting it will most likely result in some lost business. I expect some people will say I’m being “self-righteous” or trying to force my morality on others. This is not my intent.
But sometimes I think it’s important to take a stand and let the chips fall where they may.
I’ve received many emails over the past few days about the “Rich Jerk” and his upcoming “Internet Marketers Party” at the Playboy Mansion. It’s being promoted as the hottest networking opportunity ever — and that’s probably not far from the truth.
I was in fact personally invited to this party by Ryan (RJ’s front man), as their guest (no cost) — this was right after the Affiliate X-Ray launch (which I helped with) –Â before most people even knew about the event.
But I respectfully declined. I wouldn’t even go if they paid me, BECAUSE it’s at the Playboy Mansion.
From a purely business standpoint, it’s a great example of marketing the “event” — something Dan Kennedy harps on continually. I’m sure in terms of dollars and prestige, this will be a very successful event for RJ and many others.
But I don’t think you can go to that event without, in some part, putting your stamp of approval on all that “Playboy” stands for — and as a conservative Christian who considers pornography to be one of the plagues of modern society, I could never entertain the idea of setting one foot inside that place.
Frankly, I’m surprised at how easily self-professed “family men” are justifying their attendance. They say they’re going there strictly for the business networking, and I believe them. But I wonder if they’ve really thought this through from any angle besides business.
My friends, you can’t go to the “Playboy Mansion” without associating yourself with “Playboy” and ALL that it stands for — going to the Playboy Mansion is the same as placing an advertisement in Playboy Magazine. You can’t play in the mud without getting dirty.
Think about it . . .
Now obviously some people don’t have the same views on pornography as I do, and for you there’s no conflict of interest. But if you think like I do that pornography is wrong, that it’s harmful to society, that it increases sexual abuse and violence against women, that it breaks up marriages and causes irreparable harm to families, then how can you go to this thing?
I invite your comments — I will print all of them (as long as there’s no personal attacks or profanity)Â whether you agree or disagree. Let’s talk about it! 
Paul
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June 23rd, 2007 at 9:32 am
Wow, I really admire your integrity and your frank opinion. God Bless.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:36 am
Hi Paul
I absolutely agree with you about pornography and I do admire you for being so candid about the subject.
Cecilia
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:45 am
Paul,
I agree with you my friend. I thought it was sick
the way I received tons of emails from marketers
that up until now, I had at least an ounce of respect
for.
The ones you mention (or not mention, I know
who they are)would sell the skin off a dead cat
if it meant they would get their face in the public
eye.
There was even a special offer on a well known
marketing forum with some girl trying to raise
money for a dress to go to this thing. She even
said she was looking forward to the sex room at
the mansion. How pathetic. Like I want to support
that and buy her product.
I plan on unsubscribing to all the marketers who
attend or promote this thing. This is just wrong
and charity or not charity, most of these marketers
are using this for their own personal and financial
gain and that is just wrong.
I respect your decision and judgement and I hope
these big name marketers realize that sometimes
following the herd makes them look like a turd.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:46 am
Paul, I admire your stand and of course like all of us you are entitled to your opinion. However I was under the impression that the marketing event as it were, was prior to going to the Playboy Mansion, could you not have attended that and not gone to the Party at the Mansion?
Secondly, perhaps you can help me out here, I am a little puzzeled as to why you had to mention this, would it not have been better to let sleeping dogs lie?
Personally I am not a fan of the “Rich JerK” I think anyone who tries to belittle his audience is a “Real Jerk” and I would not support him or his tactics and I wish everyone would stop subscibing or buying into his or that marketing nonsense.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:48 am
Paul,
I don’t know why this post would hurt your business – I really hope that’s not the case. I admire your ethics and your integrity to stand by what you believe in.
I’ve seen many e-mails promoting tnis event and the folks that have sent me the e-mails have hurt their credibity with me by jumping on to this “event” bandwagon.
For those of us that are offended by RJ, associating with him could do more harm than good for their professional reputation.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:49 am
Hello Paul,
I’m not used to make posts, and I also may ask you and your readers to please forgive my “not that good English”…I’m not a native and leave outside the US.
If you allow me so, I may tell you that I personally consider your decision as not the best one…let me tell you why.
Despite of your moral and opinion about pornography, I do think that you can play in the mud without getting dirty, to use your words.
Please correct me if I’m wrong…but wasn’t it exactly what Jesus did his entire life? And not only him as also thousands of his followers all over the world…still those days?
If you say that you don’t feel comfortable attending the event…I can understand…if you say that you simply don’t want to go, I can understand as well…and I can also understand if you say that you don’t support Playboy and all that it represents. But this would be a perfect opportunity to give your moral values even more solidification…being in the “mud”, to use your own words…and remaining clean.
This is only my humble opinion…and I’m posting it as you asked for.
Thanks for reading and keep up the always great job.
Luiz Rocha
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:49 am
There’s nothing wrong with backing up your moral values by your actions. I think most people will simply respect your position on the RJ event and move on. It certainly doesn’t make me want to unsubscribe from your list or criticise your moral values. If anything it has the opposite effect.
Gary Smith
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:51 am
Hi Paul
As a very open minded guy, I do not have a problem with playboy and other topics that conservative Christians would not back up. But that is not the issue here.
I think you make a good point, Paul.
When someone chooses to follow a certain direction in his or her life, then you should follow that with all your heart. If you are a conservative Christian or have similar believes regarding pornography and you would go to the playboy mansion…..
Hmm, well, it is a bit contradict in my opinion. Such believes come before business at all times or you would sell your soul to the devil in a matter of speaking.
So, I think you made a very wise decision regarding your life’s mission and belief, hope I am allowed to say that. I can only respect that with all my heart.
Ray
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:51 am
Hi Paul,
Thank you very much for taking such a clear and strong stand at this point!
I can tell you one thing for sure, Paul: You’ve definitely NOT lost my business because of your stand. On the contrary, I’ll be even more likely to buy your products in the future.
I’m so glad and grateful that you didn’t bend your knees to money.
My highest respect and gratitude goes to you and your integrity, Paul.
Warmly,
Klaus Dahl
http://www.klausdahl.com
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:51 am
Regarding that justification thing — it’s a version of “I only buy Playboy for the articles”. Remember folks, you are who you hang with.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:53 am
I honestly don’t think of pornography when I think of the playboy mansion but think of a very successful magazine. You certainly are entitled to not go but I don’t believe that people would not understand your view and that you are entitled to it. Everyone has to stand by their beliefs.
If you loose subscribers over this, I would not loose too much sleep over it.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:53 am
I too admire your integrity and will be praying for you in this. Thanks for being willing to take this stand. I know my husband would do the same thing. Blessings, Phyllis
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:54 am
Agree completely…while I personally have no use for porno and agree with your assessment of it, this is a free country so some people will see it as valuable. Not me. But I also don’t want to “judge” others who do. I am sure, if invited, we would have opted out as well.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:58 am
Alah most gracious and most merciful bless you.
At last! We can identify ourselves with a guru who has a solid ground on which he stands!
Am now persuaded that it is not just for the money, you have a life too!
Alah bless
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:58 am
Well to each their own is all I have to say. That is definitely a different perspective on it, and an admirable one at that. Most of what I’ve heard in terms of my marketing friends discuss it is that it sickens them that the gurus charge thousands of dollars to attend these things lining their pockets even more. Sure it might be a great networking event, but honestly, even at RJ’s supposed discount price to attend, is this really necessary?
Davin
http://www.davinatorbiz.com
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:59 am
It’s refreshing to read your post.
You have honesty and integrity.
Thank-you.
Carry on!
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:59 am
I could not agree more. It looks like a lot of people have lost their direction and are so enamored with their so-called hot air success. The fact is that when we leave this world all we can take with us, is who we are and what we stand for. Nothing more nothing less is exceptable. I would not invite the rich jerk to my home for dinner no matter how wealthy he tells everyone he is.
Regards,
Joel Weeks
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:59 am
Thank you for taking a stance on this. Being a woman in this business, I am shocked by how blatantly sexist this entire thing is. Obviously they are eliminating any women from wanting to attend. Too bad these guys don’t just make their donation to charity and meet in a more respectable location. Guess that would take a real man. It is sad that they can’t think of any way to enjoy themselves other than drinking too much alcohol and gawking at playboy bunnies. Hopefully none of them have children, because it certainly is setting a poor example.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:00 am
Hey Paul;
Amen. I agree with you.
Great to see another marketer stand up for their belief.
I’m kind of surprised at some of the people that are going in the “name of charity”.
Thanks;
Gary Knuckles
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:04 am
Well put Paul.
I for one will be taking more notice of what you say from now on.
I’m sure many that don’t agree with your viewpoint must recognise that you are someone they can trust.
God Bless,
Paul
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:05 am
I agree wholeheartedly with your posting. When I started getting e-mails regarding the event, I was downright offended. First of all because it was touted as a “Men Only” event. Where does that leave the rest of us? And, secondly, all the reasons you stated. There might be enough money in an offer to get me there,
But, right now I can’t even imagine what that amount could possibly be.
Kudos to you for taking a stand. Not everyone has the the confidence to do such a thing. You have gained enormous respect from me.
God is blessing you now!!
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:05 am
Even though there’s no PR value being passed on this site. . . I would have to agree with you on the PLAYBOY Party. It’s all about S E X. doh! At least the right jerk is throwing it
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:05 am
While I do not understand the correlation between nudity and violence against women other than rape, I know that it plays a huge part in broken marriages and separation from the church. There are plenty of information sources and locations for business meetings that do not include women flaunting themselves, which only serves to distract participants from the business side.
Having the party at the Playboy mansion is simply a method to sell more magazines and propaganda. Only a strong Christian can be tempted multiple times inside the devil’s playground without taking some of the “candy”. That is not a place for married or God-fearing men. It is also not a place for any business outside the adult industry.
Thank you for expressing your views Paul. I am glad you stepped forward.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:06 am
It’s interesting that Playgirl never approached the readership of its counterpart, and that “sexploitation” is considered in many circles so acceptable and mainstream.
Though I’m not religious, and fall into the live-and-let-live camp, I too would find this kind of a setting uncomfortable, having witnessed the behaviors of both men and women at these kinds of events in the past to be less-than-civilized or honestly stimulating.
Disconcerting and unseemly are the words which come to mind – and how anyone could find this social scene romantic and not distasteful is way beyond me.
Personally, I’ve always found Hugh Hefner himself beyond arrogant and gauche… and have also found it sad that his pretty daughter, Christy – his heir tapped to inherit and manage the Playboy empire – to be hardly appealing or sexy herself.
Hard, battle-tested young women are as less-than-sexy as some of us can imagine… since a scene lifted from the debauched imagery of Caligula… feels more like a nightmare than a fantasy.
Besides, the gestalt of Playboy and its supposed philosophy lost its hipness sometime in the 70s is no longer that cool or fashionable anymore.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:06 am
Thank you for taking a stand and for being honest about your reasons for not attending! May God bless you!
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:08 am
It’s nice to finally see someone stand on the side of principle, integrity, and maturity. It’s disappointing that more marketers have not taken a similar stand. Way to go!
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:10 am
H i Paul , You personally have to do what you believe in . I’m sure there’s other ways to promote this Charity .
Rich Jerk wants to do outrageous things that way he gets attention . I’m laughing to myself if everyone acts like him he wouldn’t be called rich jerk just a ” J E R K ” Hey you can call me
” RICH JERK SHEL “
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:14 am
Hi Paul,
You are not alone. I feel the same way. I have been really surprised by how some have tried to justify and rationalize a reason to go. Money is not everything and there will always be another opportunity to network.
I’m sure you will get a great deal of flack from your stand, as will I for agreeing with you, but you certainly have my respect.
Warmest regards,
Ellery Coleman
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:17 am
Good one Paul. I agree. I never liked the rich jerk’s tilt and this just further solidifies my low opinion of him.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:18 am
Hi Paul… I agree, and disagree.
I do not disagree with your decision… I would not go had I been invited.
I do disagree with the thinking you used based on anyone attending. The tone of your post gives the impression that anyone who does attend approves of porn.
While I totally understand why you are not going… just to take it a bit deeper.
Does this also mean you would never attend an event or purchase a book written by someone who has committed murder, sells porn, convicted felon or just downright unethical, etc (think you get my drift), and recommend these events or books to others – even if you thought they were good?
Larry Flynt – publisher of “Hustler” magazine is the undisputed King of Porn. I would love to spend a day just talking to him – but I’ve never purchased or do I approve of Hustler magazine.
In addition to being the King of Porn… he is also the King of defending our (mine and yours) right to free speech – 1st Amendment.
While he had his own personal reasons (his porn rag) for defending his right to free speech, we have benefited as well.
I have recommended his book, “Sex, Lies And Politics: The Naked Truth: The Naked Truth” to hundreds of people.
Does the mere fact that I have shared this book with others mean I approve of Larry Flynt? Not hardly.
Like I said… I totally understand why you are not going – personal choice.
I do have to disagree on your statement about “approving” the behavior or giving your seal of approval by attending the event.
I used to go to a job I “disapproved” of for years… but went anyway
Sincerely Yours,
Andrew
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:18 am
You have every right to your belief system. As a fundamentalist Christian, your views are understandable. A mass mailing to your list, 99% of which is not going, regardless of their beliefs or have likely heard about it is, as you said, a mistake. Who cares? Why inject your belief system into such a shallow pool? You create a position for your self that now becomes colored by separations, not inclusion, all over a little known event outside our circle.
See you in church.
Tom Justin
http://www.tomjustin.com
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:20 am
AMEN, Paul! I couldn’t agree more. I am a mother and a grandmother. The RJ’s method of marketing and foul language really offends me and my husband. Did you notice that he is NOT inviting women to this so-called “event”? I have had a wonderful career in the sciences for almost 25 years. I was one of the 1st women hired by the Boeing Co. to be an Aerospace Engineer on the Apollo Moon Program in the 1960’s.
I have written a children’s book about the Stars (not the Paris Hilton types) (grin). Our family is a 3rd Generation US Marine Corps family. I have traveled all over the world and met many wonderful people. Throughout my career I NEVER was subjected to the kind of verbal abuse that the RJ spews out.
Thank you for pointing this out. You are an honorable man.
God Bless you and my very best wishes!
Sara
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:20 am
Paul,
While I admire anyone who takes a stand on ANY issue these days, I wonder how you decided to draw the line in the stand over this one.
I am assuming you get traffic and/or cash from google adsense or yahoo publishing net or even amazon right?
HOW can you do this? They all have millions upon millions of porn sites spidered…so….explain to me why they are different? I don’t really expect an answer…just wanted to point out where you’re just a touch hypocritical. Take care.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:20 am
I’m glad to see someone stand for something.
Personally I would not go because I won’t have anything to do with RJ. Anyone who associates with someone who calls you a loser is nuts.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:22 am
Paul,
Thank you so much for posting this message. I didn’t know others felt this way, too.
It’s truly confusing how many self-professed Christians and “dedicated family men” are promoting the event and planning to attend. While it obviously catches attention, it seems like there should be less-damaging ways to accomplish the same thing.
And isn’t it interesting that many of those attending feel the need to justify their participation?
SaRita
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:23 am
Great post Paul!
This post should not cost you any Unsubscribes or lost business.
On the contrary, I feel it will strengthen your relationship with your subscribers and business partners.
This event is definitely very controversial and not something that I would have foreseen in a million years in this marketplace.
I commend you on your stance & appreciate you standing up for what you believe in.
Thanks!
Tom
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:25 am
Paul,
I agree with you wholeheartedly and support your views 100%.
It’s good to see that there are still a few Internet marketers out there that have a sense of integrity.
Regards.
Chris
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:27 am
As a female marketer I felt completely excluded from the marketing for this event. Why would I want to attend this marketing event when the highlight of the event will be the “half naked, half plastic, living barbie dolls” in bunny suits?
The playboy mansion and Hugh are not icons for family and marriage so I would think the marketing for this event also exlcudes most (happily) married men. Imagine explaining to your wife that you are going on a business trip and seminar that will be held at the “Playboy Mansion”. That is like saying that you buy Playboy for the “Articles”.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:27 am
I actually read your e-mail and post because it was a nice change of pace from all the other e-mails I was getting on this event.
I think it’s a bit funny how so many marketers who are promoting this event publicly justify it to themselves and their readers. I have yet to see one that just said “I’m going to the playboy mansion for RJ’s seminar.” All of them state something like “I’m against RJ, don’t like him, I’m a family man, but the networking will be nice!”
Having a background in psychology makes this especially interesting to me.
However, my personal stance is that I don’t care if someone decides to go. If they want to go for the networking — great! If they want to go just to say they went to the PlayBoy Mansion — more power to them!
Although I respect your opinion, and agree that there are several dark sides to the porn industry (many porn stars are drug addicts, been sexually abused when they were younger — well over 90% according to one popular study, etc.), I don’t think that porn itself is necessarily bad as long as it’s not abused or hurting anyone.
As such, I don’t have any specific things against PlayBoy and view this event more so as a big gimmick that many marketers are jumping on just to be a part of. In fact, my wife even wanted the two of us to go there (she just started getting into internet marketing).
However, I’m one of those people who actually enjoy talking about business and networking. I’d be afraid that I’d get too excited about throwing ideas out there while all the others are focusing on the nearly naked girls.
Ahh well, to each his/her own.
Brian
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:28 am
Paul.
What you said is exactly what my thoughts were when I got the first email about it.
I wonder how many of the attendees are bringing their wives?
I guess we have to stoop this low now to get attendance to a seminar.
I am not going to unsubscribe from your list and if anyone is liberal enough in
their thinking to be OK with this seminar they shouldn’t either.
If they expect you to be tolerant of their views they should be of yours.
Who knows Paul, maybe this post will save a marraige.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:29 am
I just received your email..
In this “new age” of anything goes, and gross immorality.
It takes someone of strong , moral , religious,
character for someone to say no to Sin. Obviously you just did.
I really don’t know you , but I greatly Honor and respect your convictions.
I have a fairly new online site, http://www.chromecityevents.com
Which is for online Single Events, and also features online dating. For now it is not very sucessful…who knows if it ever will be.
I also have had chances to put x rated links or ads on my site to “get it going” . To that I not only say no, but I also say no to selling your Soul to
to bed with (pun intended) anything associated with “Playboy”.
God Bless America, God Bless our Armed Forces, who everyday are fighting and dying for our Freedom. And may You also be Blessed.
Jz
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:30 am
Hi Paul
I’ve got no bad feelings about playboy.
What does bug me is the way RJ talks, acts, communicates.
In one of the last Emails he was describing what he was doing
in the bathroom to one of the mothers while his buddy the right
hand man was minding the baby.
I’m not convinced that this is just some persona that he uses to get
attention.
And the language… you can’t just make that up.
I think his mind is twisted.
Gives the rest of us marketers a bad name.
I for one, have removed myself from his mailing list.
Thats my two cents worth.
Den
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:32 am
Paul,
Taking a stand is a good thing. The adage, “If you stand for nothing you will fall for anything.” applies. I have made it a habit not to judge others but I do try to stay away from things that directly affect myself, my family, or those I am close to. When it comes to morals I believe there has been a steady decline in the four decades plus I’ve been on this planet.
Business partners that keep their word, teenagers with strong work/moral ethics, products that deliver on advertiser’s claims, marriages that last the duration, etc… etc…
It all falls back to what you believe in, and what you stand for. Taking a stand is admirable and I for one respect it. There is a balance in all things and everyone is free to choose…. the pain comes when too many people make poor decisions. I’ve made my fair share…
God speed,
Adam
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:33 am
Paul, whilst I understand your comments and your sincerity with your beliefs, I do not agree that this event condones pornography and all that it entails. I am sure most of the ‘Gurus’ going to this event are pretty sensible and do not need to keep the sins of the world on their shoulders.
Lets face it, depravity has been around for a very long time!
This event is for charity with as much publicity as possible, and I am sure that most people going will have a damm good time and will be talking about it for years to come.
P.S. I would like to go because I am sure that everyone will have a really fun time – lucky people!
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:34 am
Paul, I’m surprised it took so long for anyone to voice this view and I was beginning to wonder if there was any moral integrity left among the top level marketers?
I’ve been impressed with the business knowledge of many of the top “gurus” and with their professed success oriented mindset and view of family values I had made assumptions about them that turned out to be incorrect in a few cases. The others I’m unsure of, but at least you’ve made yourself clear, which is definitely to your benefit.
I received emails from a few of these top people over the past few days and in one case it was the wife who wanted to attend (for which I’m sure he was grateful) and in another case the Playboy bunnies were considered a “necessary evil” in the name of charity. He was “willing to put up with them”.
But there is the risk of disappointing a few of us. Yes, in terms of pure numbers, the people on their list who they promote all of this to will be very receptive because there are more of them in the world. But some of us are evaluating the character of our leaders and this has an effect on our enthusiasm in following them.
What happens after they get back home from the party and face those
on their list? I’m sure we’ll be hearing stories of what we missed out on in hopes of stimulating us to more action so that we can attend the next one.
I agree with you, Paul. Even if a person isn’t the type to normally be attracted to such an environment, there is an automatic statement being made when attending an event of this type, and it’s even more widespread when it is promoted to people who look up to them as leaders.
Paul, I’ve seen your name a number of times and I’ve never known much about you, but now I’ve learned something that is very important to me and I appreciate it very much.
thanks,
Rande
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:35 am
Paul,
To each his own. You are right about “the end justifies the means”. Too many use this to make things relative.
My thought is “what does it profit a man to gain the whole world only to lose his soul”. Whatever you may ‘lose’, may you get back 100 fold.
Thanks for standing your ground.
John
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:36 am
Of course its wrong to go. The Rich Jerks whole gimmick is profanity, crude, rude in the name of the almighty dollar. It only shows how low people are willing to stoop to make a buck, especially using the combination of good and evil (Charity & Porn). There are more important things in life than money. Don’t get me wrong, its nice to have and we do need it……….but its the love of money that gets people in trouble. I too admire your integrity.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:49 am
Paul,
Taking a stand is a good thing. The adage, “If you stand for nothing you will fall for anything.” applies. I have made it a habit not to judge others but I do try to stay away from things that directly affect myself, my family, or those I am close to. When it comes to morals I believe there has been a steady decline in the four decades plus I’ve been on this planet.
Business partners that keep their word, teenagers with strong work/moral ethics, products that deliver on advertiser’s claims, marriages that last the duration, etc… etc…
It all falls back to what you believe in, and what you stand for. Taking a stand is admirable and I for one respect it. God speed. There is a balance in all things and everyone is free to choose…. the pain comes when too many people make poor decisions. I’ve made my fair share…
God speed,
Adam
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:50 am
Hello Paul,
It’s refreshing and reassuring to see someone stick to their principles.
I myself am not a Christian, but strongly hold to the belief that everyone should be allowed to practice whatever belief they choose to believe in (as long as no harm befalls others – directly or indrectly) … You are standing by your chosen belief, and there can be no greater sign of your truth.
So, thank you.
Kind regards,
Vic
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:51 am
Paul you are the first person I have heard that has been willing to take a stand on this issue and I applaud you. Money is always nice to have, but to specifically promote and participate in an event that compromises moral values and family integrity is not where it is at for me. I have received emails from a variety of big name marketers promoting this event and have simply deleted them. I have even considered clicking to unsubscribe from some of their lists. Good character and a good reputation is too important to trade away for any money. I will be watching more closely for your emails and your recommendations in the future. Your stock rose significantly in my books. Thanks.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:53 am
I agree with you Paul. I would hope that even the men who are not Christians would be able to see the damage that Playboy does to our
woman, families, and society.
I was surprised to see so many big name marketers promoting this event.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:57 am
I am so glad that someone has acrtaully stood up to say something. I was beginning to think that I was the only one feeling that way. Playboy and all it stands for degrades women and doing it in the name of charity or anything ese does not matter.
Yet,it’s these same marketers that will tell us about their wives, their family and what it means to them. Isn’t this double standard.
Well, I run a Christian Business Magazine and I won’t compromise my standards not even for the opportunity of meeting these internet marketing experts.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:00 am
Stick to your guns. Only petty people would hold this against you. If your business partners can not honor your personal convictions – find new partners. All My Best, Tim
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:01 am
Well all I can say is that family integrity and morals are still alive and well. Not too many people are willing to stand up for what is right in the site of God and take the ridicule that is sure to follow. However I know for myself you have a customer for life because I believe as you do and God will reward you and prosper you beyond your wildest dreams for taking a stand for HIM!!!!!
God Bless You,
BJ
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:04 am
I fully agree with everything you have said. Thanks! You won’t lose business – there is a backlash coming against tasteless marketing on the internet. No matter how great a networking event this could be, sincere women marketers won’t have a look-in. I have received at least 6 invitation e-mails from some of the top internet marketers and one from the RJ himself. The invitation web page is gross and just one look at it tells anyone with a little bit of refinement that if you are a woman, an internet marketer looking for networking partners, all you will probably get is a bunch of very rich, inebriated marketers all thumping each other on the back and trying to look wonderful for one another under the guise of a ‘charity event’. Good luck to them but after hearing the RK was selling his business because he is nearly bankrupt I can only wonder if this is another stunt to make him more money. The only freedom we have in life is to chose our environment and that means who we hang out with! Best regards.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:07 am
I appreciate your candor on this…it’s actually refreshing. I agree with you, too. I cannot believe that they selected that mansion for a Internet Event and the way some of the gurus talk about it it’s like “hear no evil, see no evil”. Frankly I find it disgusting.
But…I guess it shows their morals and lack of character.
Boys will be boys? I have yet to see any woman promote this event.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:08 am
Dear Paul
I agree completely, society has has lost its values and morals. I’m a Christian too and have to stand up against this. In this world today you have to speak up even if all your list unsubscribes and you end up pennyless. 70 years is nothing on this earth compared to eternity without God.
God Bless you Sir!
Stew
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:10 am
Paul, I do not beleive it is necessary to declare the religion to which you subscribe to make your point.
Morals are morals and you either understand the degradation and exploitation that the ‘Mansion’ represents or you don’t.
Any time someone precedes their statement or sales pitch with- ‘I am a family man’, it is obvious that they themselves understand there is an issue with what they are doing or selling. When I received an email about the event from a top online marketer, whom I previously held in high regard, I read it through beleiving there would be a punch line.
I also do not want to sound as if I am on a high horse. Quite the contrary. However, using the facility not only supports but is now promoting the ‘Mansion’, which in turn endorses its exploitive industry.
I know I should not have even gone there, but it is remarkable if not scary how many self-proclaimed family oriented people can become so open minded and find so many reasons to justify supporting the very industry that many claim they will not stand for in their own online businesses.
Once again, I am in no way claiming to be righteous. This event that has so many big name guru’s attending truly has me concerned about the double standards being displayed in the name of business or should I say the dollar?
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:16 am
Hi Paul,
Quite frankly I don’t share your religious beliefs, and I may have an opinion that is less critical than you in terms of varying degrees of ‘the playboy’ aspect.
However……
I’m all for a free world and a right to free choice. My personal belief is to do what you want as long as it causes no one any harm (We could probably debate the harm playboy may or may not cause and what evidence there may be to support either argument – but that’s a seperate issue).
As far as you are concerned, and your choice not to attend – I have nothing but respect for you taking your stand based on your beliefs.
May your God bless you and yours.
Regards
Randy
Randolf Smith’s Marketing Blog
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:17 am
Hi Paul,
I am sure you will get many replies praising your ‘integrity and frank opinion’ (together with keyword links to their websites). Lots of integrity there then.
However, I choose not to list a website here. Because your post deserves a genuine reply, that is not tainted with the normal one liner nonsense, just to get a link back.
You post is is misguided in the extreme Paul.
Looking at ‘pornography’ does not do any of the things you suggest.
What is pornography? It is either simply pictures of naked bodies. Or men and women (or men and men – women and women) engaged in a sexual act. And then recorded in some manner for others to look at.
Pornography is an extension of the fact that sex is a natural human desire. And that looking at good looking bodies or people having sex is something that most people (men and women) find a turn on.
I respect your right not to find it a turn on.
Just as I don’t find American Football much of a spine tingler (Though I am sure lots of guys do)
But all this puritanical Christian stuff that anyone who goes along to this party is somehow sacrificing their morals, and promoting violence against women and the breakup of families is just nonsense.
The Playboy Mansion is simply a place where loads of young women who want to get rich and famous pander to some guys to try to achieve their dreams ie Pictures in magazines, tv appearances etc.
Nothing new there. People do this all the time when they laugh at there new bosses jokes to try to ingratiate him that they ‘are on his team’ and should be promoted etc.
Who’s the more manipulated?
The wage slave in their cubicle 8 hours a day? Or the attractive girl trying to achieve her dreams and retire at 35?
Hats off to these girls. They are making it happen.
Recording Sex between consenting adults. Without coercion or drugs. Is as valid a thing to do as any other. As is watching it.
Guys having sex with other women might well break up marriages.
Thats not the fault of porn. That’s the guys fault!
And if he is looking at porn rather then having sex with his girlfriend, then that indicates deeper problems that are not the fault of porn.
I also don’t believe it either increases violence against women or increases sexual abuse.
The US has some of the toughest pornography rules of any country (and rightly so). The women (or men or whatever) are having consensual adult sex. They have to have regular drug check ups to confirm their health. And they are well paid.
It is probably a better job then 95% of the population has to participate in!
As to looking at it. Well, most people enjoy that. And they have no reason to feel guilty about it. Any more then they should feel guilty about watching American Footballers throw themselves about, (consensually), and get well paid for it.
The Playboy mansion in my mind stands for fun and good looking women.
All good.
I would be happy to have an advert in the magazine (the price might be a tad high though…)
An audience of guys that like sex? Hmmm weird bunch!
You should go and feel damn good about getting the invite.
Stuart
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:19 am
Yes, I totally agree with you Paul, but…
You mentioned you helped with the X-Ray launch.
That means you’re already playing in the mud promoting “Rich Jerk” and ALL that he stands for. If he isn’t portrayed as a Playboy, I don’t know who is
To me it’s like this: Playboy Mansion = Rich Jerk, Charity = Ryan.
So one can argue either way:
Well, I’m there because I’m a friend of Ryan and I’m there for business reasons and I want to help him raise money for Charity.
Or, well, I promote the Rich Jerk and his products, so therefore I’m already “dirty”, I might as well hang out at the Playboy Mansion and just consider it as a personna I’m creating for myself
Nobody is perfect… as long as we personally understand what our goal is in what we do and take responsibility for our own actions, it’s all good
Tim
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:20 am
Hi Paul… I have several points to make here: Firstly, I both admire and respect your commitment to the principals you adhere to i.e. your moralistic views and your Christian views.
Secondly, I applaud your courage in making your feelings public via this blog when, in all fairness, you didn’t have to.
Thirdly, and with great respect towards your views nevertheless, I totally disagree with your automatic assumption that “Playboy” and the “sleaziest, dirtiest, most harmful aspects of pornography” are intrinsically entertwined.
I actually chose “Playboy” as the subject of a Thesis I wrote many years ago when doing my Masters Degree. I went into the study with a very similar viewpoint to yourself… but emerged 2 years later with a radically differing opinion.
I see “Playboy” as a legitimate and successful attempt to break down both the social and sexual inhibitions of ‘everyday Americans’ (and indeed, much of the western world).
Hardcore pornography (the details of which I have no need or desire to share here) and “Playboy” are about as far apart as Paris Hilton and “maturity” (hush my mouth…did I say that???…lol)
I am an aetheist and so don’t feel bound by the same dogmatic constrictions that so many Christians do. This gives me the ability to ‘observe’ with my own eyes and form opinions based on such observations over many years. As such, I am in no doubt whatsoever that “Playboy” – although an iconic success story in every field of endeavour that it has embarked on – is a tame and harmless component of the global adult industry.
I say this because I do not for one second believe that explicit (but otherwise physically and emotionally harmless) sexual acts between consenting adults is anything to be ashamed of. I also have no problem with folks over the age of consent being able to make a choice of viewing such acts for their own erotic pleasure.
Ironically, having viewed a lot of so-called erotic material via Playboy TV I can personally vouch for the fact that 95%+ of it is boring and not worthy of my viewing time. Give me the Discovery Channel ANY DAY!!! Hells bells…even Fox News is more exciting!!!
But my opinion of Playboy’s ‘less than masterly television production quality’ is no sleight on the incredible corporate success of the Playboy company – and more importantly, the amazing (and untarnished) life of Hugh Hefner. NB: I wish I had 1% of that guy’s charm and youthfulness for his age!!!
Paul… you are a Christian. You uphold Christian values. You assumedly follow strict Christian principals when it comes to sexuality… and like I said right at the beginning, I respect that totally.
However, just as ‘Playboy and all that it stands for’ cannot in any way be realistically or fairly associated with the depraved, cruel, humiliating and degrading attributes of certainly SOME aspects of hardcore pornography… nor can YOU and countless other Christians be fairly associated with the millions of despicable, violent, sexually twisted, soul-destroying acts of pedophilia that a STAGGERINGLY DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER (relative to mainstream society) of members of the clergy, priesthood and other Christian-backed organizations including fostercare homes and religious schools have engaged in over the last few decades!!!
But Christians as a whole can’t be blamed for the terrible acts against humanity by an alarmingly high number of it’s members!
Contrary to the often blinkered (in my humble opinion) views of Christians and other relious folk, pornography on its own does NOT automatically lead to rape and other forms of abuse by the readers and / or views of such materials. Rather, it is pornographic material/s in the hands of sociopaths and psychopaths (and others prone to sexual violence) that has the potential to incite sexual abuse!
Playboy can’t be blamed for the actions of sociopaths and psychopaths!
Alcohol on its own doesn’t automatically cause an intoxicated person to become irrational and violent. But when consumed in large enough quantities by persons already prone to violence… well, it can be a dangerous catalyst!
But should we ban alcohol? No! Heck, even Jesus drank the stuff!
Fourthly and finally… the real issue here is NOT “Playboy” or the “Playboy Mansion”… it is the childish, immature antics of a socially deluded dwarf-amongst-men who goes by the name of “the Rich Jerk” who is the ONLY issue in my opinion.
I realise that the “RJ” concept is a marketing ploy, and a clever one at that, but it simply isn’t clever enough to win ME over! Personally, I couldn’t care less that “RJ” is having a “night out with the boys” at the Playboy Mansion!!! So damn what???!!!
THE VENUE DOTH NOT MAKETH THE MAN!!!
Even if “RJ” was holding a “get together” over a cup of tea and biscuits in the main event room of the Morman Tabernacle in Salt Lake City – with all proceeds going to charity – I still wouldn’t attend!!!
I think the guy is an outright moron. He is offensive – yes, even to an aetheist like me!
So, even though you and I have very different viewpoints on Playboy, pornography and sexuality, I’m with you all the way on one thing here Paul…
“I AINT GOING TO INDULGE MY FANTASIES AT THE PLAYBOY MANSION EITHER!!!
Good on you for taking a stand:)
Oh, and thank you (from me, personally) for your truly outstanding contribution to Internet Marketing over the years you have been involved. You are a great influence and inspiration to all who know you.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:23 am
I totally agree with you too. I just amazed why people who disagree with RJ way of marketing still want to attend a meeting that organize by him. Isn’t it a confusing.
God Bless!
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:25 am
I admire the stance that you have taken. Money at the expense of your own values is not worth having.
I dislike the whole image of the Rich Jerk. I have never spent a dime on any marketing which thinks it clever to disrespect the customer.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:25 am
I don’t believe in religion, but I believe in God, and I completely agree with your reasons for not attending.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:28 am
[Sorry - corrected version ... missed some words out!]
I have absolutely no time for religions personally, but not going to RJ’s party because he’s an a**hole is reason enough. I’m not talking about this online ‘persona’ that he fosters as a joke (although a tedious one by now), but about the fact that his ebook is one of the lowest quality ones I’ve read in the IM industry, the fact the he preys on newbie IMs with over-inflated marketing hype and the fact that I think a lot of his other stuff is ludicrously overpriced for what it is.
I’m sick of most IM ‘gurus’ to be honest. Hype is all part of marketing – I know that – but the extreme hype they generate to sell the Get Rich Quick dream to newbies who are looking for role models is way overboard. They breach the trust of those who look up to them in order to make a buck. And RJ is at the forefront of all that.
More credit to IM ‘gurus’ who tell it like it is: there is no get rich quick, you can’t make a million under your duvet – you’ll have to work your butt off for many months and face the fact that the huge majority of people will fail (I reckon at least 95% of people who try IM will fail).
IM is a business just like any offline business and it needs the same dedication and persistence. Eventually – if you get your head around that and don’t give up – you just might make some money. Buying book after book and course after course will certainly do no good whatsoever.
If you want to take a religious stance on it, then consider also doing so on the incestuous IM guru lists that shovel one load of rubbish after another at the newbies when – if they wanted to avoid ‘false testimony’ – they’d be telling the newbies not to buy it all … the last thing they need is another ebook … what they need to do is get out there and take action. Everything bit of instruction anyone needs to make a living at IM can be had for about $50 – one decent guide and a couple of books on marketing.
Anyway, rant over!
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:28 am
Hi Paul,
I have to agree with the other comment. It takes real guts to stand by a principle. Putting morals first before profit shows your human side so I for one will be remaining on your list.
Just because ‘everyone else’ is doing something it does not make it right to follow if it does not feel right in your heart.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:30 am
I agree 100% and consider the people listed as “pornographers,” open supporters of an industry that is destroying families and children. I will never purchase anything from Dan Kennedy, John Reese, Yanik Silver and the others listed again. THEY are the true JERKS.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:32 am
Good for you, it’s sometimes hard to take a stand, but integritiy shows! As they say ‘ If you stand for nothing, you’ll fall for everything”
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:32 am
Paul You are dead right and i give you my vote. It is not about morality or being religious but you just cannot mix everything in the name of business, certainly not this event at the Playboy Mansion. Internet marketing is fun but this is what happens when you start playing with it.
Generating revenue is a skill , marketing is a talent which one is blessed with and you need to thank the universe for giving you the opportunity to make the big numbers. When money starts rolling in very easily you think you can get away with anything in life. This is a classic case which proves this fact… I am happy with your stance Paul and i dont think it is going to reduce your business infact i can tell you it wil infact increase as a result of your post.
take care
Vish
http://www.spiritual-simplicity.com
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:38 am
I appreciate your stand in this regard. I am a Christian, too, and whole-heartedly agree. At this point, I am broke, and just trying to start an internet business, but as broke as I am, here is not a price on this earth that could be paid to me that would get me to set one foot inside of this event. In fact, after receiving an invite myself and all the obscene speech in that invite, I unsubscribed to his list. I thought he was kidding at first, but then I saw he was serious (Rich Jerk.) I admire his business success, but there are many more with integrity I would rather learn from. Thank you for your stand. And by the way, you probably in actuality won’t lose business and may gain business after word gets out that you stood on the right side of an important issue.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:38 am
As a woman in internet marketing, can I say I am so wholeheartedly sick of the whole testosterone driven thing (the Playboy party). I realized, like so many things, IM is male dominated, and for a lot of men, this ‘titillating’ thing brings out the perpetual adolescent.
But come on guys… a little bit of sophistication goes a long way.
I agree Paul, it suprises me that a lot of family oriented men would go – and that their wives are not kicking up a huge stink about it. But you know, one thing I have learnt is the way people can justify something in their own mind.
I know I certainly don’t speak for ‘all women’ – and that quite a few buy pornography with their partners. And would probably think that I am ‘narrow minded’.
But I think that pornography encourages, at least subconsciously, looking at women as objects, and completely devalues relationships and sex by turning it into an empty shell of that which is based on love, equality, and a deep connection with the other person.
I know a lot of women who participate in those industires say that it is empowering, but if they were truly empowered individuals they wouldn’t be in the industry in the first place. They buy into the illusion and the power imbalances, and the (self and other) perception of sex and people as objects too. And anyway, those women are some of the best actresses Hollywood has never seen
I agree Paul, that by going to the Playboy mansion and being in that environment, you are being a part of it. It seems a big price (personal integrity) to pay for the opportunity to network, of letting the adolescent into the drivers seat.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:50 am
No networking opportunity (or any other opportunity for that matter) is worth sacrificing your integrity.
My wife and I are both full-time copywriters and we recently had a referral sent to us from a good client. However, the referral turned out to be a guy who wanted my wife to write a sales letter about a particularly “racy” ebook where he required “a woman’s voice” in the sales letter.
My wife respectfully declined, telling him that as a copywriter that since it’s required of her to “put her mind” deeply into the subject matter…and this subject matter was a place where she really didn’t want to put her mind for too long.
He seemed a bit flabberghasted, and immediately came back with different project…which turned out to be along the same overtly sexual line. Again, she declined and referred him to a different writer.
It’s the ‘hard’ choices like these that slowly but surely will add up to either strengthen or weaken a marriage.I’m happy to say that my wife and I have enjoyed 15 years of marriage, and I have every reason to believe that we’re in this thing forever.
I too am a Christian, but I am certain that there are plenty who are reading this post who are not. In today’s culture, it may seem “prudish” to make a stand a not go to the Playboy Mansion or refuse to write an overtly sexual sales letter.
Perhaps if there were more men who would make hard choices like this, we wouldn’t have the 50%+ divorce rate that plagues this country. The Christian Church is not off the hook – the divorce rate is even HIGHER in churches.
But I do not follow Christianity blindly and adhere to the “thou shalt not’s” contained in the Bible because “that’s what the Bible says so that’s what I do”. To the contrary…I follow the ‘rules’ simply because they make sense. Although let me be quick to say that I am FAR from perfect and I struggle with pulling my eyes away from a scantily-clad woman as much as any other red-blooded American male!
As a married man, it’s foolish to put yourself in a situation where you are tempted to cheat on your spouse. Adultery destroys families. I should know…my parents divorced because of adultery, and my life, my brothers and sister’s lives and our children’s lives were forever changed because of a very bad decision one of my parents made over 20 years ago.
My hat’s off to you, Paul. My prayer is that God will bless your marriage…I’m sure He already has…
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:52 am
As a newbie to internet marketing I have been subscribing to lists, reading blogs, etc. to check out people that I would like to learn from. Several have already been eliminated as I read through sales pages or blogs that made me question their integrity. You will definitely be staying on my list to read and do business with as I grow my own business.
If taking a moral stand costs business then, in my opinion, that is business that we can do without.
This nation needs to take a gut check and move back to the morals that made us a great nation to begin with. Thanks for doing your part.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:52 am
Regardless of what anyone thinks negatively about your decision, you understand that we can’t please everyone. No matter what you do in life you will never make everyone happy.
I am impressed you are making a public stand and you and I both won’t be attending.
In my opinion, networking opportunities are a dime a dozen and there are many events one can attend to accomplish this.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:53 am
Regardless of what anyone thinks negatively about your decision, you understand that we can’t please everyone. No matter what you do in life you will never make everyone happy.
I am impressed you are making a public stand and you and I both won’t be attending.
In my opinion, networking opportunities are a dime a dozen and there are many events one can attend to accomplish this.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:55 am
Bravo, Paul. I wholeheartedly agree!
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:59 am
Hi Paul,
In today’s permissive society, we need more people like you. I myself not a saint, but as a future parents I will try my best to keep my children away from bad influence.
Sincerely,
Bob
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:59 am
I agree with you, and I’m not even Christian. I agree simply because I’m sick of people pretending they can separate their personal values from their “business” values. If you have no problem with pornography, go to the event. If you do have a problem, don’t go. But don’t pretend that your business actions are not connected with your personal values. They are. There’s only one you, and every single thing you do, think and say impacts on who you truly are.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:00 pm
Hi, Paul!
I tend to agree with you, somewhat. A lot of the guys are going and saying it’s for charity, and that is justifying their decision to go… And the networking factor is going to be amazing, I’m certain. It’s a genius marketing tactic, to be sure! But it sure caters to the men, doesn’t it??
I would absolutely love the opportunity to network with all of these people and contribute to charity… but as a woman walking through those gates? Not in this lifetime!!!
I can’t imagine any serious woman marketer being able to go there and be taken seriously. It’s a little disillusioning to watch seemingly intelligent men approve of this whole shindig, and justify it the way they are.
Good for you, in keeping your head on your shoulders and voicing an unpopular opinion.
Warmest regards
Lisa Preston
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:01 pm
I respect your stand – I actually unsubscribed to every list that sent me an invitation to that event – personally I was offended by their sending out general invitations to that event. I appreciate knowing there are still honest people out there selling on the internet. Thank you for posting this blog.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:06 pm
Thank you for speaking out!!
God Bless.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:21 pm
Man, I admire your courage for saying what many men are afraid to say and that is: pornography robs a man’s sense of self-respect. Thanks for taking a stand.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:23 pm
I feel you have every right to take a stand
on this.
Its just not the porn movies, its the whole
entertainment industry. You have rappers
singing the most disgusting lyrics possible.
All this is available 24/7 to young people.
MTV is one of the worst offenders with
the groups saying lyrics that put all females
down.
Bill
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:24 pm
I agree with you Paul. Whole-heartedly, actually. There’s a saying here in my country – “If you go to a bar to only drink water, people will STILL think you are drunkard.” And that is exactly how I feel about this party. I believe I have no right to speak anything for or against this party because I don’t have the money to attend seminars OR “networking opportunities” as this one but I also believe that we need to draw a line.
Although I am not religious AT ALL, I still think this is “immoral”. If it was promoted as a fairly INFORMAL event where the attendees simply happen to be Internet Marketers, it would be ok. But saying that it is an internet marketing event and a business networking opportunity would not only be wrong, it would too far from the truth.
Anyway, that’s just my 2 cents on it. Everyone is free to have his own opinion
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:26 pm
Good for you! I thank you for having the courage to say “I am a man of principles, and I will not compromise my principles for some nebulous opportunity…NO SALE!”
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:27 pm
Paul
Praise God for your stance on a subject of morality which supercedes all else, even successful business ventures.
Pornography is a blight on our society and offends an Infinite God.
I wonder if any of these lemmings going to the party are worried at all of the eternal consequences of this outrageous offense against our All Merciful and Loving God?
Please pray that The Holy Spirit enligthtens all involved with organizing and participating in this decadent event and please pray for the state of their immortal souls without passing judgement of any kind on the individuals.
This is meant to speak the Truth on sinful behavior that separates God’s creatures from His Eternal inheritance that He has prepared for each one of His creations of Love.
Praised be Jesus Christ now and forever and may He bless all who read this.
Greg
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:29 pm
Dear Paul,
I really admire you for taking a stand against attending the Playboy mansion (and everything it stands for). I was actually planning to purchase a product from this RJ (though I was uncomfortable with the Rich Jerk label), until I discovered the party plans. I am now boycotting products from anyone that I have learned is promoting or attending.
I may lose out on some terrific tools for my business by not purchasing from the “gurus” involved, but I would feel better building a business without supporting the “Playboy mentality”. There will always be good information & tools available through other sources.
I also am not trying to force my standards on others, but the entire concept of a competitive marketplace means that I can CHOOSE where to spend my dollars.
Thank you for the good information you always provide and for having the guts to actually “put your money where your mouth is”.
Bravo!
Brennan Kingsland (By the way, my grandmother was a Galloway)
http://www.setourteachersfree.com
http://www.educationwatchdog.com
Straighten-Out Public Education NOW!
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:29 pm
I must agree with everything that you said. I am also a Christian and recently purchased the Rich Jerks ebook. The information was useful but his language is certainly not for the faint of heart. He could of certainly made just as many sales without the vulger language, in my opinion.
Thank you for the free resources here on your blog and good luck! I have been planning a blog for sometime now, I just haven’t managed the commitement part to it yet……lol.
God Bless You and Stand Proud For Jesus!
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Your point is well made. It shows how easily we can justify behaviour without considering the big picture or the long term repercussions.
Rgds
Kevin
Audio – How to maximize backend sales to explode profits
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:37 pm
Wow. I could write a few pages on this topic, but I will just say great job.
Someone who has an opinion and sticks with it. I would wonder just how much work will be done during that conference.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:40 pm
Hi Paul
I am with you on this.I read the RJ sales letter & wondered why such people want to get involved.Networking-maybe-but after too many drinks I doubt it will be no more than a number of cliques huddled in the corner & others ignored & the rest chasing whatever they think they can catch.
I am not narrow minded but there are in my book lines which should not be crossed.Obviously we are all different so let them get on with it.
Regards
Brian
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:46 pm
Although I very much respect your views, Paul, and applaud your decision to make them known, I’d disagree with the bit about going to the mansion being the same as putting an ad in the magazine. But then again, holding and promoting a much-publicised party there is kind of like putting out an ad for the magazine. Maybe. I can’t agree at all with anybody thinking you’re trying to force your morality on others. You’re not – you’re just expressing your preferences, and giving a perfectly valid reason for them. On the other hand, if I had two party invitations for the same night, one at the White House and the other at the Playboy Mansion, I think I know which one I’d probably enjoy more …
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:46 pm
I agree with you on this on wholeheartedly. I share your views on porn.
There is no such thing as innocent porn. It may start that way, (soft porn) but the viewer needs to constantly up the notch to get the same thrill, and it degrades them further. Porn has not enriched our society in any way.
You are guilty by association, guilty by enabling, and guilty by silence.
I got an invitation too but when I got an FU email, I unsubscribed. I don’t care how rich this JERK is, I do not want email like that arriving in my house.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:47 pm
“You can’t play in the mud without getting dirty.”
Amen.
Brother you have your priorities straight. No amount of money or business is worth compromising your beliefs.
God Bless you
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:49 pm
Paul,
Interestingly enough, just yesterday I posted something on my own blog, “When to Say No to a Sale”–and one of the reasons if it doesn’t fit with your values. http://principledprofit.com/good-business-blog/2007/06/23/270/
While I personally am not a conservative or a Christian, I am fully in support of your decision not to do something that compromises your values. In fact, when I get a new client inquiry, I send a template e-mail that specifically says I will reject the assignment if it’s not in alignment with my own values.
I have to tell you I’m turned off by the whole “rich jerk” concept and have never participated in anything he’s done. After all, I spend a good chunk of my award-winning sixth book, Principled Profit: Marketing That Puts People First discussing how building cooperative relationships even with your competitors is a path to business success. I have personally done quite well in my business by being both nice and genuinely helpful whenever possible.
You may want to have a look at the Business Ethics Pledge campaign I’m doing at http://www.business-ethics-pledge.org — trying to create a tipping point toward values in business.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:53 pm
I compliment you on standing up for what you believe in. I too am a conservative Christian and if we do not stand up for what we believe in, others will have us go their way. Jesus said we cannot serve God and money or we will love one and hate the other. I for one will stick with Jesus and I am behind you all the way on this. God bless you for sticking up for what is right even if it is not popular in today’s society!!
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:53 pm
There is every reason not to go to this event and all of them are about the rich jerk’s obnoxious and unpleasant marketing. The playboy mansion sounds just perfect for what he pretends to be. The whole thing is a sham just like the playboy image. It’s all marketing.
As for the pornography aspects, I respect your opinion. I agree with you to some degree but I think it’s all pretty irrellevent to this event.
Playboy is all about image. It isn’t real life. Marketing is all about image and most of that isn’t real either. It’s all about dreams. Ethics seem to be absent in both areas.
I think the rich jerk’s approach is just as harmful by suggesting that money is everything and anyone who doesn’t have it is a failure. In fact I guess it is that sort of attitude that leads to people becoming involved in the pornography industry. It’s all about getting money.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:57 pm
I think you made a wise decision. I like RJ and I think he’s funny. But anyways, don’t feel bad at all for speaking your mind.
God bless.
Lisa
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:58 pm
I also respect your integrity too, Paul, and in fact, your public stand has made me want to do MORE business with you.
I feel bad for the wives and daughters of these IM “family men”.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:58 pm
Bravo! You’re doing what you believe is right, and that is commendable. I didn’t see where you told anyone not to go – you just suggested they think carefully before they do.
Playboy has built a business on objectifying women. If you are a woman, or a man who has a mother, wife, daughter, or sister, how can you even remotely support an operation that considers women as merchandise? Yes, I know Hugh Hefner’s daughter runs the company. It doesn’t change the facts.
And then there’s “Rich Jerk†… I’ve known plenty of wealthy people, and the jerks, by and large, are not happy. I understand the attraction of making money – I don’t understand the desire to be a rich jerk.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:58 pm
Well I’m glad that I wasn’t the only one against this party. It’s not the fact that it is at the playboy mansion or the site promoting it is bordering on pornography, but I emailed this paticular well known internet marketer about the fact that the rich jerk is vulgar and crude and he was in a sense promoting him(the rich jerk). And I asked him, did he want his well known name(nationally at least) along with a few other well known internet marketers, also going, associated with this type of event.
Thank You for being in agreement with me.
Cas E. Smith
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:04 pm
Hi, Paul !
I knew from previous correspondences that you were a person of faith, but (as they say) the proof is in the pudding, and you have just proved it “in spades”
)
About 3 weeks ago, I received an email from RJ. I didn’t know anything about “RJ” and the “Rich Jerk” way back when, so… I “bit” and signed up for his announcement list (it could hardly be called a newsletter). The mounting problem I had seen coming from him was the fact that once you adopt such a persona, you have to keep “topping” yourself just to keep the same place in the reader’s mind. In other words, I saw his ramblings getting more and more offensive with the filth he spewed… sooner or later, that “lifestyle” spills over into and contaminates everything you think, say, and do (?) – IN that order.
I’m not a prude by any means, but I shudder to think where “RJ” might be headed (as well as those others who seem to be following his lead). I really hope my worries are groundless and that their spouses and children will not suffer because of it.
At any rate, about 3 weeks ago, when he was particularly offensive, I wrote back to him to tell him so. To date, no one has responded.
I fully support you and commend you, Paul, on your decision and on posting it for the worlds to see
)
Your friend in Christ on the net,
Rev. Hal Humphries (Hal)
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:23 pm
I don’t consider myself self-righteous, but there is a line in the sand for me, and the rich jerk and many of the so-called gurus crossed it with this event. I just unsubscribed from John Reese and several other lists because of their support for RJ and Playboy.
Wonder if they’re all taking their family with them?
Thanks for taking a stand. You’re still welcome to my email box.
William
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Very good point. I Corinthians Chapter 8 talks about this very thing in detail. This message is for Christians. We have separated ourselves into conservative and liberal Chritstians but the Bible only teaches one. Really what we have is wheat and tares.
Bless you Paul.
Olan
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:25 pm
Good for you! I agree with Internet Empire that it indeed shows a strong sense of integrity.
I’m not opposed to Playboy’s existence, and I think Hugh Hefner’s business sense in the early days of Playboy is sound. However, with part of my target market being young women, and as a business supporter of causes that benefit victims of sexual abuse and exploitation, I can definitely understand not wanting to align yourself in a way that would say you support their message. I could not justify it for myself, nor would I want to.
You cannot have a good business structure if it’s not based on good business (and personal) standards. Bravo again to you!
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:42 pm
We applaud your stand! There are many fine lines that we must consider while in business, as in all areas of our lives. This one isn’t even fine, it is glaring and although you may have some fall out for speaking out and taking this stand, I have a feeling that you will see it is really the chaff falling from the wheat!
I look forward to following your business success story! Perhaps we will work together one day.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:42 pm
Paul,
Good for you.
It takes a man with integrity to stand by what he feels is right. I admire your integrity and your ability to articulate it as well.
Here’s to your LifetoSuccess,
John Clark
http://www.lifetosuccess.com
http://www.askjohnclark.com
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:43 pm
Great post Paul. I could not agree with you more. We are to come out from among the world and honor God in all that we do. Associating yourself with the Playboy mansion, for business reasons only shows where ones first priority lies. I believe God will honor the stand that you have taken in your business. Thanks for sharing.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:47 pm
Hi Paul,
I agree 100%.
I’m at Walker’s event right now. I thought I heard your name mentioned. I’ll be looking out for you. Got something interesting to discuss.
Have a BLESSED day!
Paul
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:52 pm
Congratulations for standing up for what you believe in and not compromising. That is what seperates the real men from the rest. The whole “Sex sells” theory is only true to the point that people let it be true.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:52 pm
Paul,
I’ve been a reader of yours for some time (uhh-oh,
here it comes!), and I have to say (jeez! i KNEW it!)
that I’m glad to see someone stand up for what he
believes in. (huh? what the….. i thought he wuz
gonna, you know…)
I won’t be going for similar reasons.
I’m married (happily – ‘most’ of the time! [grin]) with
4 young, impressionable children…..
But – it takes ALL kinds to make the world go ’round,
or, as we say in N.Y. – whatever blows your dress up.
Peace out……
Regards,
Stuart Halpryn
http://NetActivated.com
http://TheJVZone.com
“If you didn’t buy it from NetActivated – you paid WAY too much.”
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:53 pm
Kudo’s to you. I don’t believe in compromising your moral values for the sake of making a buck. It’s just so much easier to sleep at night when your comfortable with the decisions you make.
It’s also a wonderful example of why it’s so great to be living in a free society.
I happen to disagree with your views on pornography. But I strongly agree with your reasons for not attending the party and your right to voice your opinion.
Plus, it’ll probably be GOOD for your business (not bad). Your polarizing your audience with your opinions. Those on your list that connect with your position will become even more faithful customers.
Trev
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:56 pm
I admire you and whole-heartedly support your view. Not only that, I agree with you. I am so impressed with your words and integrity. I believe that, more than anything, will carry you successfully in business and, more importantly, in your faith.
Blessings,
Mark Thompson
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:58 pm
Hi Paul,
I agree with your comments. It’s unfortunate that in todays world forget what they were taught. Playboy, Penthouse and others have been around for some time and it’s considered that there is nothing wrong with those publications as well as others.
The morality in this country has gone downhill since the sixties with the Free Love and Flower children.
I’m glad to see you’ve taken this stand. It’s high time Christians stood up for themselves. We have been under attack for some time now with the removal of prayer from the schools, etc., etc. by a minority faction in this country. Christians have not responded in kind, and because of that the minority gets their objectives pushed across. The liberal media will not help us, they encourage this behavior. I’m not even going to get into the political realm and who’s for or against this behavior, but it’s high time we stood up and said We’re mad as h__l and not going to take anymore.
I aplaud you for your stand.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:06 pm
Always nice to see someone thinking about their personal ethics within business. Frankly all the hype around this is annoying (no doubt the RJs intent). I’m bored with the hyped up Internet marketing get togethers anyhow, controversial location or no.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:09 pm
This is EXACTLY what I thought when I saw that email! And the presentation of the “playmates” as an attraction really dehumanizes them. It’s sad that people who have for years taught integrity in marketing blow it all with this event.
Coincidentally, I had posted on my MySpace blog this morning that I think that American Idol is popular because the contestants are “clean cut.” Integrity and morality are much more important than a couple of bucks.
Thank you for taking a principled stand.
Rick Carter
“Start Your Life Now”
http://www.StartYourLifeNow.com
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:11 pm
Excellent! I couldn’t agree more. All these guys should read The Rise and
Fall Of the Roman Empire. The lack of moral standards in this country is
a step on that slippery slope.
Playboy Mansion is a juvenile fantasy for men who should have put all
that behind them by now. No matter how the people white wash their
motives for attending I think it simply wrong!
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:14 pm
I really respect you for your stance on this, I would be devastated if my husband/partner went. How could any family man justify going to this place? There will be a lot of upset women after this event.
sincerely, Jean.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:38 pm
I was shocked at all the people who said they would be there. I agree with you — what kind of family man would go to this function. Hang in there Paul. You’ve made a lot of friends with your stand.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:05 pm
I do have a website but this is non-promotional subject. Good for you, Paul. I have no family – never been married – no relationships. But, I have a lot of teaching and coaching history. I am there to promote the positive aspects of life. A recent experience: I am helping a land owner utilize his property to set up a Junior Golf facility. Living 2 doors from me was a drug dealer. A negation in society to what I try to do. Your line is drawn where you are taking a stand. You will find that a lot of good people (in their own way) have drawn a similar line where they are standing in a similar way to you. Let’s not argue who has the best line drawn. Let’s appreciate that we are standing our ground to be good examples.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:08 pm
Paul,
Thanks for taking a stand. People say to never mix business with religion, and vice-versa. But when your beliefs determine your lifestyle, you must draw a line in the sand.
Well done, my brother.
John David Bradshaw
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:08 pm
Well Paul you sure stirred up the pigeons with this one. But I’m sure you’ll gain more in allegience from the conservative right than you lose amongst the general population (who don’t care about the issue either way).
1) The cynics amongst us will observe that you knew that perfectly well before making your “stand”.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and just observe that the greatest reward of self-employment is the freedom to choose how, where and when we conduct our affairs.
Free will – there’s nothing quite like it, and it makes up for all the other trials and tribulations.
2) I personally find the exploitation of a charity event for business ends much more sickening than a few pretty girls exploiting the advantages nature bestowed upon them.
Hugh Hefner is (was?) a creep but so what? The real creeps are the hypocrites using charity as a draw.
3) Before I make the following point, I should make clear that I have nothing to do with the porn industry and have no commercial or moral interest whatever.
The porn industry’s own quoted statistics show that over one third of all porn is downloaded by women. So much for the exploitaiton argument. Deplore the moral or “family values” aspects if you will, but the exploitation angle does not fly.
4) Final point before I get lynched by your congregation. It’s disturbing how quick folks are to pronounce severe and disapproving judgement on what other folks do or do not do. What is it the “good book” has to say about “casting the first stone”?.
It is this urge to censure that provokes religious persecution and war with such monotonous regularity. How about some “live and let live” guys?
Or, in the words of the song, “Will We Never Learn”?
Older and wiser,
http://www.StevenHenderson.com
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:16 pm
I like people with integrity. Money is not everything. To start with, the Rich Jerk or whatever pseudonym he calls himself has no light in him. He uses profanity and curses the poor. Even associating with such a man with moral ineptitude is sacrilagious. Yes, money can miss road and any fool can make money but is difficult to maintain character without the light of God. People worship money and can do anything in the name of JV and business networking–all because of the dollar. They even sale their God-given conscience for the same reason. Jesus Christ made it clear that there are only two competing Gods on earth: The true God of Heaven and mamon of unrighteousness. I know that most marketers are suckers and charlatans and I see this every day. Maintain your stand to be pure and unspotted. “Those who can’t stand for something, can fall for anything,” says Marting Luther King. Paul, this single action has made me to know who you are. Your knowledge of the holy makes you outstanding. Go with your character and conscience and beware of foolish majority! “Fear God and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man,” says King Solomon.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:32 pm
…If you think like I do that pornography is wrong…
- disagree
that it’s harmful to society…
- disagree
that it increases sexual abuse…
- disagree
increases violence against women…
- disagree
breaks up marriages and causes
irreparable harm to families…
- disagree
No studies have ever validated your conjecture.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:40 pm
I really think we should argue on moral grounds alone. A lot of this Christian stuff is as sickening as the porn – lies fed to kids about imaginary friends that they carry through into adulthood and call god. Take away the religion label and it’s the sort of delusions we put people in psychiatric care for. And religion is far more dangerous than porn – look at 9/11, look at the crusades, look at all the people who’ve died in the name of non-existent gods.
Sorry, maybe it’s because I’m fro the UK and we’ve moved on from this religion nonsense a lot more than the States.
I think a moral justification is enough.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:56 pm
Hi Paul
I also recieved an invite through a prominent marketeer, I also will not be attending the party because I will probably be bored to tears by the quality of debate that I can foresee. I cannot believe that among all those scantily dressed ladies and leering gentlemen they will be discussing how to earn a living on the internet. Having said that if this sort of thing is for you then in a democratic society I think you have the right to make your own choice and not let yourself be influenced by pressure from others. Soldiers are dying daily to preserve the very freedoms we enjoy today without prejudice, I am more concerned with the religious outpourings that prevail whenever morals are brought into question. Religion has it’s own moral difficulties to deal with throughout the world, a lot of people are dying in the name of. We all need to look at ourselves before we make judgements on others. I personally do not like the way a lot of people get ripped off on the internet and I concern myself more about that, than a mansion full of people who will probably have a good time wether anybody approves or not.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:25 pm
I have a comment to the person who said the following: “most of these marketers are using this for their own personal and financial gain and that is just wrong.”
To that I respond, isn’t that what internet marketing or any business is about? If people go, they most likely are going for their own personal and financial gain, just like any other internet marketing seminar.
If you even make a website, blog, or any product, you’re probably doing it for your own financial gain, right? If you work a 9 to 5 job, you’re doing it for your own personal gain, right? Does that make it wrong? I don’t think so.
Although I personally have a more neutral stance on this (in my opinion, people can attend if they want to or not attend if they don’t), I think we have to realize that in the end, practically all of us are about making money. The question is what is our business model, how far are we willing to go, and what personal boundaries to we set for ourselves.
Brian
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:38 pm
I am totally with you. Over the years I have noticed the decline in morals and the increase in anything goes, so long as it shocks, makes a reaction, creates publicity…. Unsubscribe from your list?…never!
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:44 pm
Paul.
I admire your integrity, pity there are not more people in the world like you, and as for the rich jerk…. in OZ he’d be called a tosser. From the first time I came across his BS web site it was an absolute turn off. They are welcome to their fleshpot party.
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:00 pm
It is good to take a stand on what you believe in, and it is concerning that you do it in the name of Christianity/Religion.
If you really think about how many wars have been fought in the name of God and how many lives are lost.
The human body is a work of art. Playboy shows that work of art.
The renaissence period featured sculptures of naked man in ther most masculine form. Will you refuse to visit the ‘Statue of David” to remain congruent.
What is the issue Christianity has with sex? I admire that Hugh Hefner is still getting sex with 3 gorgeous girls at the age of 82. Most of the men that have responded this would also deep down.
The fear and guilt people feel around the topic of sex is the real problem. People who are in marriages they dont want to be in, or that are not being sexually fulfilled are some of the most troubled souls. Why? because sexual expression is part of our journey.
Paul, let me assure you, in the history of humanity, there is not one stage where you can say pornography has done more harm than Christianity.
Christianity isn’t the beliefs of God, it is the beliefs of men with motives. Never confuse that. In fact, look at the symbolisms behind Christianity and you will discover that the branding was copied from other popular religions of the time. Other religions were outlawed, and people were executed if they did not adopt the religion of christianity.
Religion is a form of mass control Paul. The fear of God is the strongest. Why? Because you cant see God. Cant negotiate with him etc. People are in hell in their minds, long before they think they are going to heaven.
To me, our soul seeks to experience all aspects of being human, and sex is one of those aspects.
Go have a look at what Playboy stands for outside the areas of sex and you will realise Playboy was one of the first magazines to stand up and say “all men are created equally”.
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:18 pm
[...] and his cronies. While it might be a “hot” networking event to go to, I’d have to agree with Paul and about 95% of the people who commented on this issue. I wouldn’t go or recommend any event or product from the RJ [...]
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:45 pm
Hi Paul,
I received your email first thing this morning and was going to reply when my wireless keyboard batteries went dead and I was 2nd in line for a post and come back 7 hours later and WOW!! you really seemed to say something that most of us were thinking but dont have the name recognition or the clout you have. As like 98% of the posts here, I agree with you 100% and I know this has to be talked about among the gurus and curious to see if they are not concerned about their reputation among what seems to be a majority.
I know a few made posts regarding how this will effect your business, well, let me tell you my views on this…
I didnt know who you were till someone recommended your little black book and I purchased it and since you didint spam me and try to sell me everything under the sun like 95% of the others do, you had my respect.
But now, lets just say, if you recommend a product and its something i know ill need, I will definitely be buying it from you. I can count on one hand the # of marketers that I can say that about and from what others are saying here, I think you have just did something that very few marketers can do but talk about, which is to build trust and credibilty with their list.
You, my friend, have just done that.
I know you had a hand in the Stomper launch, if you are ever at one of the seminars, let your list know, I would like to personally meet you and buy you dinner.
God bless,
Chris Bradley
http://www.bibleknowledgebookstore.com
http://www.bible-knowledge.com
PS – This should be great link bait!
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:53 pm
Bravo, Paul! Absolutely Bravo!
Anyone that sent me anything about the “Playboy Mansion” get together got a prompt request for unsubscription. Oddly, not one of them had the marketing savvy to let me leave a comment as to why.
One of your posters thought that you could provide your morals by being there. While you may go to a bar, drink sodas, and talk with people who drink, this IS NOT the same thing. Playboy was built on prurient interests and is not the appropriate place for marketing. I don’t imagine you are going to find Robert Allen, the father of multiple streams there. You won’t find Ty Hicks, the original master of business there. And, if any of my other mentors, such as Robert Kiyosaki or Adam Khoo made their appearance there, I still would refuse to go.
Paul, you are now one of my heroes for taking this stand. Were I still active in internet marketing, I’d be shouting the same thing.
Anybody that thinks different doesn’t understand that to be the best at what you do, you must act the best in ALL that you do.
Make it a great day!
Brother Paul
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:55 pm
Hi Paul!
You do yourself proud. I admire and respect your stand on this subject.
Let the chips fall where they may! You do not back off from your principles.
A high five to you. I don’t belive your business is going to suffer because of your stand on this issue. On the contrary, it will draw more like minded people to you and your business will grow with loyal suporters.
Congratulations to you and God Bless you and your family.
Warm regards,
Januario Fernandes
http://www.Powerhouse-products.com
Januario Fernandes
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:05 pm
G’dday Paul, hope you are in great health and feeling terrific.
Let’s face it, perhaps it’s true to say there are pro’s & con’s in everything we do in life…
On the subject of pornography, it’s a tool for self expression, call it art or sexual orientated fantasy, the fact that some will exploit women and take it to the lowest level of existence is a real concern.
But it’s like saying money is the root of all evil…is it really?
There’s always a fine line between what’s personal and business, at the end of the day it’s really up to the individual who wants to make that call…
I’ve always respected you as a better man for providing excellent service, you firmly stand behind your products 100% which is a reflection of your ethics, values and morals.
Thanks for sharing your views…of course it’s important to adhere to and follow your beliefs and dreams.
At the same time the playboy mansion represents a product and dream, so does that make it any less valuable?
Whether you go or not it’s ryour call…no one can argue with your choice.
When we make the leap to the next level of spirituality and consciousness, the world will no longer need pornography or business as such anyway.
Until then…happy road to your success with enlightened love!
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:14 pm
Paul, I commend you on your stand. It reflects the character that you build your business on. This may cause the “dry leaves” to fall off your “money tree”…but that’s when NEW LIFE budds forth! I’m just starting in this internet business and I am aware of the dirve to be in the “traffic lane”where the $$$ are found, but I want to build my business on a sure foundation. If “Content” is king, in this industry, then it is more than “flashy offers”, it should reflect what is behind the offer….substence!
My thanks for not only the content you offer, but the substance & character behind them!
Ernie , Olathe, KS
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:58 pm
Paul,God bless you and yours. I could not agree more with you.I commened you for taking a stand. It is not often that someone would have the courage to stand up for what is right! With Great Respect : Gary Nelson
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:20 pm
Hi Paul,
After reading your comments and before I read any of the preceeding comments, pro and con, regarding your public statement about not attending the charity event at the Playboy Mansion, one of the first thoughts I had was how ot phrase my compliments to you.
This is what entered my mind…
Thank you Paul for expressing my sentiments, and may the Holy Spirit stroke your forehead while you go to sleep tonight.
Art
http://www.RegisterMyName.ws
http://www.LiftUpOnlyJesus.net
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:31 pm
I agree with a lot of that. Most of the self-proclaimed internet marketing genuises going to that event have other questionable business practices, so that doesn’t surprise me. The stories I coud tell, but won’t!
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:39 pm
Sounded a ‘little’ self-righteous, narrow-minded. I’m disappointed.
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:45 pm
Congratulations for standing on your integrity. To tell you the truth, in your position, I probably would have gone. You evidently have more integrity than me!
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:49 pm
Ok Paul, seems like you’ve been inundated with replies. Not surprising! Your choice of blog topic – knowingly or unknowingly – proved to be one of the best examples of “DIGG BAIT” that I have seen in ages
:):)
I personally wrote the longest (so far, anyway) comment to your post… and many others in here have written well thought out and supportive (or non-supportive) comments too.
So, Paul… how about YOU now taking this inspired discussion to another level and “COMMENT ON THE COMMENTS” (both individually and as a whole).
Purely by accident, you could find yourself getting some damn good rankings – both on DIGG and in search engines – as a result of your post.
Just such a damn shame you have to (ironically) credit the “RICH JERK” with making it all possible!!!…lmao
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:01 pm
Paul –
One does not need to be a ‘conservative Christian’ (as you have identified yourself here) to appreciate the vulgarity, superficiality, and offensiveness of Playboy’s objectification of women. The fact that Playboy has become so ‘mainstream’ in our hyper-consumerist version of capitalism is an ironic indictment of our widely held cultural values. It is therefore refreshing and heartening to read your post dis/associating yourself from that brand!
Your post is also a timely reminder that one can be conspicuously successful without being a lemming, just rushing to be like everyone else …
Kind regards
Philippe, Brisbane, Australia
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:09 pm
Well done, my friend! You have done proud by the great name of Paul today
There is nothing to be gained by associating with negative businesses. You don’t want your name spoken with theirs. The way of life they promote is not healthy or uplifting. You need to protect yourself from influences that do not move you forward. You don’t walk away from negative, you run away from negative.
I have been disappointed in the people that have been promoting this event to me. They have put me in the position of re-evaluating my business relationship with them.
Often it is better to just say “No thank you”.
June 24th, 2007 at 12:22 am
Paul,
I’ve been deleting emails right and left when I see the Playboy Mansion Mentioned. Our world tolerates so much today that we shouldn’t. I thank you for taking a stand for right. You are absolutely right! Hugh Hefner and the folks at the playboy mansion are whore mongers, plain and simple.
Thank you for renewing my faith. There still are a few good men left.
June 24th, 2007 at 12:49 am
Hey Paul. As I see it if you don’t stand for something you’ll go for anything. You drew a line in the sand. Nothing wrong with that. And if I understand you right you are excepting the conseqences that come from it. That in itself tells me more about you and how you run your business. And I hope you understand where I’m coming from. Goodwill comes in many forms. From business to business and business to customer, theres is absolutely nothing more gradifying than a businessman done good and wanting that good for others. The question here is, what good does it really serve for all concern? (For society as a whole) Your moral perpective is not only clearly define but decent and commendable. I wish you well sir.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:05 am
When I first got an email on this topic I almost instantly unsubscribed from that person’s newsletter and paid membership site. I commented on his blog about it. I was quite surprised that someone trying to appeal to the masses would promote this.
Promoting something like this, is going to hurt the view that many religious people, women, and family men have you. So why would anyone promote it? The only market you might impress with this is young single men. I personally found this promotion to give Internet Marketing gurus an even worse image than many of them already have.
Reading your post, actually made me WAY more interested in your products. I am glad you made a stand about this. I plan on becoming a regular reader of your blog. Great post!
Blessings,
George
June 24th, 2007 at 1:07 am
There is enough hypocrisy here to last a hundred lifetimes. Not to mention intolerance beyond all reason, so much drama, so much sturm and drang. Are you all still primitives shaking and quaking in your thatch huts, xenophobia gripping at your throats, as lightning and thunder crash above your heads? Are we still in the Dark Ages? Is this the new religious persecution? Have we not reached the 21st century yet?
Yes, maybe the rich idiot is going a bit over the top with his soiree, but come on now, all of this righteousness is just so much posturing. No one is being forced to attend. But like lemmings or frightened sheep, you all are following a clueless guide. The blind leading the blind. Whatever your position, understand it does not make you any more superior than the next person. It’s just your own opinion, OK?
But it is OK to celebrate a country that was taken from it’s original inhabitants through genocide, murder and deceit, simply because our God so ordained it. It is OK to invade another country and kill for it’s natural resources because God is on our side. Violence in the name of God and the almighty dollar is OK, but should we indulge in a little frolic and fun to help the less fortunate, why the bluenoses are violently braying their negativity and predicting the fall of civilization.
Think about it really hard, if marriages are broken up by mere nudity or availability of beautiful women, then those marriages were NOT built on solid foundations. The very vows of marriage should make any temptation fall flat upon it’s face. Makes logical sense, yes? That is if you truly do believe in the sanctity of marriage. Then no temptation is strong enough to break those sacred vows of marriage.
God created Man and Women without clothes, and He thought they were beautiful simply because they (as well as we) were and are created in His image. It was Satan that lead Man and Woman into realizing the Shame of their nakedness. So if any of you feel ashamed of your naked body, the beautiful one given to you by our heavenly Father, then you are nothing but a Satanist. Get over it, read the Bible, Adam and Eve were both naked in the Garden of Eden. Remember, God specifically created a Woman as Adam’s companion, not another man.
Sex is a beautiful and wonderful act, and a very necessary one for the survival of our species. That one would believe that sex would lead to the destruction of our species and our civilization is one that doesn’t understand the way of Life. If you think sex is dirty, then who is the one with the twisted mind? Especially since God gave this wonderful ability to us to continue our species.
Violence is the tool of the new god, the almighty dollar. Capitalism is the Word, the Way, the ultimate corrupter of human morals. Just look at what’s happening in Washington, D. C. or your state capital or your local city hall or in corporate boardrooms, even in churches sad to say. Money has and is corrupting everyone totally and completely. So if you condone violence, and violence in the name of profit, then again, what are you thinking? Think of all the scams that have ripped off people, especially the elderly, all in the name of the almighty dollar. Are you one of these scammers? Consider it while you sell away your soul as you chase those almighty dollars.
If you feel that sex is not OK, and violence in the name of profit is OK, then you really need to reevaluate your value system, as one is reaffirming and the other is totally destructive. If you don’t want to have fun, then let others who do, have fun. Like assholes, we all have opinions, but leave the judging to the ONLY one Whom can Judge.
All of you really need to inspect the log that is in your eye before you judge the one with the speck of dust in his eye.
Those who are without sin, cast ye the first stone!
Live and let live, in peace.
Regards,
steve
June 24th, 2007 at 1:43 am
Paul I too was disurbed by the number of marketers going to this Playboy event with the RJ. Many were very open and already braging about their plans to drink to excess, visit with high hopes, the sex room etc. I am a christian as well and while I like to have fun at marketing events, this one does cross the line. I will be unsubscribing from several lists because of the association these marketers have made with the likes of the Rich Jerk. This guy is sick in spirit and I am disapointed in those who eagerly follow him. I am very proud of your decision and I am proud of all who have written here with support for you.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:50 am
Oh BTW folks, did you notice that Paul is NOT disassociating himself from the rich moron and his ilk? He’s just not going to the Playboy function….hmmm?
Regards,
steve
June 24th, 2007 at 2:20 am
Paul,
I am in awe. As I started to read your email I was afraid to get my hopes up that you actually had the bravery to say what you were about to say. For so many years I have felt so alone in my outrage of pornography being so acceptable in our society. Playboy, is a particularly personal issue to me. I believe to this day that I was a child victim of rape directly related to this magazine. My husband is the only person until now that I have ever said that to. He was shocked at first, then horrified, then became a steadfast advocate against the pornography he had formerly considered “a normal guy thing”. Most men are in denial of the connection to violence against women that this has. Others just don’t get it. Some just don’t care. My former brother (I have disowned him), who worships Playboy and other similar
magazines is sitting in Cook County Jail as we speak awaiting sentencing for unspeakable sadistic violent rape and torture of women.
I don’t know if the world will ever wake up to what is going on and stop this horror that happens to children and women every single day as a result of this so called “Freedom” the pornographers all hide behind, but I do know that as long as there are caring souls who see with their hearts instead of their eyes, such as yourself, I will carry a Light of Hope.
I thank you for taking such a refreshing and bold stand.
I have the utmost respect for your decision. Such Integrity is unfortunately rare.
Keep Shining Your Light, My Friend,
Dolores
June 24th, 2007 at 2:28 am
Paul:
Glad to hear your position. One of satan’s tricks is to get people to think that things like this are OK. After all, we can justify it, right? NO, we should resist putting ourselves in the path of temptation.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:59 am
How could it be wrong to say no to something you can´t stand for.. to let your conscience be your guide, and to take a stand on this important issue. It´s a grand sell-out on behalf of all of those people entering (the mansion).
At this event, greed talks louder than anything, I´m glad you are one of them who stands up and says NO!
All the best,
Mats
June 24th, 2007 at 3:42 am
Just a thought! The mansion, the ladies ( who am I to judge ) and Mr Hefner are there simply because of the success of the playboy magazine and empire created by that success. That means that millions of men and women worldwide have purchased the magazine on a regular basis for whatever reason. It is strange that a lot of people have condemned this get together, on their belief in a fictitious creature created many years ago through scriptures
written, allegedly, by a select group of learned men. I find it much nicer to believe in my fellow man whom I can communicate with and work toward a better future for all mankind with love, kindness, discipline, tolerance and understanding of each others needs and wants. I make my own judgements rightly or wrongly, but they are mine alone and not made through my belief in something I cannot see. I do not condemn those who do, that is entirely their right, but please don’t put a religious concatenation
to everything that you don’t agree with. Like I said in an earlier post I won’t be going because I’d be bored by the event itself, mainly the backslapping because I have a thin skin.
June 24th, 2007 at 5:12 am
I’m proud of you , Paul…
What’s the difference in promoting this mansion event and pornography?
I can’t convince myself people actually believe in this greatest marketing event stuff. This is definitely a gang bang event, and yet everyone seems to be so proud of their participation in this whole thing. It’s like telling people there are hookers in the house, please come and **** them. Shame on you…
What’s even madder is they use this as an excuse to do charity. What a holy crap! This is an absolute disrespect to the woman who gave birth to us. If I were rich enough and hold an event, I’ll ask all those models to go feed the children in Africa. That is charity, you know!
You see, I’m not anything against sex, but using unethical methods to buy sex is a loser style. It’s like those people using unethical methods to to do sales, just imagine you promote an affiliate product and they bypass your affiliate link to buy it, would you like that? What if one of those bare top sexy waitress are your loves one, e.g. your wife or your daughter, would you still be so excited to go to the event?
If you allow the rich jerk to continue all these, I’ll not be surprised next time he’ll hold an event to rob the bank after the so-called greatest marketing event of the year.
I’m planning to unsubscribe from the list all those going marketers, and I’ll ask my list to do so, I just couldn’t force myself put any trust in all those people who claim to be some great marketing guru yet they don’t have any self moral at all.
Paul, maybe you should come up with an anti-playboymansion website to disclose the ugly side those people. you are definitely most suitable.
The Angry Marketer
Eric
June 24th, 2007 at 5:58 am
Paul,
It is great to find a successful internet marketer who is not a hypocrite (or any person for that matter). I am not a ‘Christian’ as such, but regardless of what you believe in, you should take a stand. Most people haven’t got the guts to go against the majority so it is very refreshing to find someone who stands up for his beliefs.
Good for You!!!
Kay
June 24th, 2007 at 6:24 am
Dear Paul.
My immediate response to the RJ’s email was to unsubscribe. I admire your stance and stand behind it 100%.
Although it is true Jesus ate with “tax collectors” and the like, he did so because he was here to heal the sick. Jesus was not capable of getting “dirty”. Unlike Jesus, we humans fall short and would take a tremendous risk attending an event such as this.
One comment suggested it may be ok to attend the event but not the “party”. It is my belief attending the event would be supporting the spirit of the event (pornography).
It is never a mistake to support one’s belief’s, regardless of the “fall out”. The Lord our God has your back Paul!
If you didn’t have my business before you do now.
Thank you for reminding us all of what is really important in this “People will do anything to make a sale” business.
God bless,
Cheryl Ann
June 24th, 2007 at 6:43 am
Why is it righteousness when a Christian expresses themselves? No one said Christian’s are any more superior and it is sad that people think or say this. We all fall short, Christian or not.
Why is it Christians are said not to be living in the 21st century when they express themselves. I don’t hear any one say a person is not living in the 21st century when embracing paganism or satanism.
Let’s get off the soap box and calmly exchange opinions instead of ranting about terrible historical events perpretrated by misguided humans.
June 24th, 2007 at 7:27 am
PLEASE…………LIGHTEN UP!!!!!!
In my earlier post, I gave a shortpost with my view of this event.
If I supported this event for charity,I would go with my wife and we would have a good time.
We would laugh at the proceedings, she would make comments about the girls and after about 10 minutes, we would concentrate on meeting the right sort of people, and have a good time. None of this would mean we had any hangups, sexual, religious or otherwise.
If they held this event in the local church- no-one would go: if it was in a pub – people would have a drink or too and that would be that.
So atmosphere makes the occasion and the Playboy mansion would seem from a publicity point of view – to be a good location.
There are enough problems in the world today – mainly due to differences in opinion on religious grounds, so keep this thing in perspective.
Like your television – if you don’t like the programme, turn it off!
Credit to Paul for his views which I respect, we all have our own opinion
and if you have unsubscribed from email lists because of this, then thats great. But please, spare us all the religious banging the drum. Don’t you realise that wars have been going on for centuries in the name of religion?
June 24th, 2007 at 7:30 am
Participation is an individual decision. Voicing an opinion is your right. Leading by example is a valuable teaching method. Personally I have learned the most from those who are non-judgmental.
June 24th, 2007 at 7:47 am
Thanks for putting a voice to it. Personally I find the girls ugly in the way that only porno chicks can be.
I can’t think of anything more disgusting than hanging out with a whole bunch of lecherous slavering internet marketers kissing each others butts and ogling the painted flesh.
But each to his own… I just won’t forget who said they were going. The basic moral code we have is not just limited to Christians. I think that most of us know that promoting promiscuity and easy sex is the road to perdition. I think most people that attend may get a cheap thrill, some will have a miserable time, some will live to regret it and others well, they won’t notice anything wrong.
June 24th, 2007 at 9:06 am
Paul, it’s just YOUR point of view.
June 24th, 2007 at 12:14 pm
Thank you, Paul!
This last week I’ve spent alot of time unsubscribing to newsletters. I can’t believe how so many of the internet marketers I used to respect are all turning into clones.
Receiving email after email of all of them promoting…”the best thing to
come down the turnpike in years”. Huh? That’s what they said only LAST week about a different launch.
Now, the “good old boys” are heading off to the Playboy Mansion. YeeHaw!
One of them tells us he’s ONLY going because it’s for CHARITY! I feel so much better hearing that…
I’m absolutely certain that the marketers who show up WILL have a good time. And…that explains an awful lot, doesn’t it?
Will their wives and girlfriends be attending? I’d love to hear from them.
I’ve heard marketers extoll the virtues of RJ. But, he’s really a nice guy!
WHAT? Any person who stands behind “marketing” like his…is NOT a nice guy. What makes a person nice? RESPECT. For yourself and others.
Thanks for the soapbox,
Karen
June 24th, 2007 at 12:49 pm
Hi Paul,
I read your post just a day ago and there only
a couple of comments. You really hit a nerve
with a lot of people.Good for you!
Its good to talk about these subjects and get
the feedback.
June 24th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
Do you use Google in ANY way?
If so…you are pandering to the world’s largest search engine that lists Millions of pages of porn.
I DARE you and every other Xian who objects to porn to stop using Google.
Is it “different” some how for you because you are a Xian? I don’t think so.
As a matter of fact….I DARE you to give back to the porn-monger, Google, the money you have made BECAUSE of using their services.
Will you do so?
I didn’t think so.
Jesus hated hypocrites!
June 24th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Paul,
WAY TO GO!!!!
I think that this whole thing stinks & Charity or not
if you go you are part of the garbage going on there.
Not only will you not lose business I think you will increase
your business when people see that you stand up to what
you thins is morally right.
Mike
http://www.ventless-gel-fireplace.com
June 24th, 2007 at 5:55 pm
Paul, I’ve only just recently signed on to your list, but I find your entry about the “RJ Party” interesting. Our society has more ills than just pornography, but the boldness you’ve exhibited in standing against this says a lot to me about who you are. One who respects and honors the sacredness of life and values it over the pursuit of fame and fortune.
Thank you for being a light in the darkness. There will be a cost I’m sure, but make no mistake; what you’ve done is noble and reveals a moral constitution that can be trusted in all other arenas of life. To stand with righteousness is to manifest the real heart of God. Righteousness exalts a nation, but to not stand against sin is to be a participant in the shame of it…your business may suffer, but you have gained so much more. God’s name is honored and you will be honored by Him. God bless you.
June 24th, 2007 at 6:25 pm
Someone with MORALS, WOW. I agree with you 100%, you have to take a stand on you beliefs. I think that you will gain respect for your actions. I really can’t see how anyone could take offense with your comments.
June 24th, 2007 at 7:56 pm
People, get a clue!
It’s a gimmick! RJ’s marketing is designed to polarized his audience to create buzz.
So consider yourself polarized … and take your place in line as a volunteer contributor to the buzz!
June 24th, 2007 at 8:56 pm
I also posted on my Blog at Sales Lead Secrets as well as in my newsletter. Like you I was saddened to see so many of the ‘Big Names’ in the Internet Marketing community falling over themselves to promote this event.
As for those that claimed they were ‘Family’ men and yet would still attend ‘for business purposes…’
I thought “Yeah right…”
Several of them lost me as a client for life last week.
Good on you for taking a stand!
Chris Bloor
June 24th, 2007 at 9:04 pm
Paul,
I agree with you also 100%. I was really saddened by the people I saw attending the event. To the point of thinking of pulling the plug on any IM venture I was pursuing. Yes, for a bit I was ready to walk away from my business. My mentors reminded me that I don’t have to be that way. I can dedicate my business to serving God, just like you. We can be the ones who don’t compromise just to make a buck or get our faces plastered all over. So, that’s what I intend to do.
Would Jesus attend the event? In a heartbeat. That is what He is about. Can I attend an event like this? No! Why? I’m NOT Jesus! Yes, He lives in me and is a part of me, but when He walked on the earth, His nature transcended sin. My nature is to sin. He is without sin. I can’t place myself in the path of sin and expect not to fall. Nor should we support that which is blatantly sinful. You are right in speaking out.
As far as not utilizing a service that may have some far away relation with porn that doesn’t affect the way I do business? Unfortunately in this world it is almost impossible utilize anything that in some way is not related to something you do not support. Most people who are concerned with global warming still drive cars and use services that contribute to global warming. People who are concerned about forests still live in houses and work in buildings that are made from the forests they are trying to protect. If you are concerned about the effects of smoking and do not want to support the tobacco industry, just look at all that a company like RJ Reynolds is involved in. If you eat, you most likely buy their products. So, yes I do use Google and will continue to.
As far as contributing to the buzz? There comes a time when you must speak out. For too long many of us have not done anything or said anything for fear of popularizing something we don’t support. Edmund Burke said it best, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
Thanks for your stand, Paul. Can you tell me how to get on your list> Hopefully we can help each other out in the future.
Gene
June 24th, 2007 at 9:36 pm
I couldn’t agree with you more! Thanks for taking a stand. I was very disappointed when a highly regarded marketer sent out an email on why he was going. The ends do not justify the means.
Kudos to you for making a stand and being willing to publicize it!
June 24th, 2007 at 11:04 pm
Bravo, Paul. I totally agree with you. Thanks for standing up.
Frankly, I have lost respect for many internet marketers for their support of this promo AND the Black Hat, Black Mask promos.
I don’t think you can go wrong with living your convictions.
June 25th, 2007 at 12:37 am
Dear Galloway,
Thanks for opening my eyes,
Today I feel proud with ethics I am using in my marketing efforts and making decent money from Other people’s products, Adsense and my own reprint rights million marketing package ($6 by Six Million) .
Though I think there is no harm in using prono tactiks for driving traffic to our websites but attending party with our physical presence is some thing different and I fully agree with the way you looked at this event.
Regards,
Sandy
June 25th, 2007 at 1:13 am
Talk about herd marketing and how these “family guys” have ALL turned into Rich Jerk clones!!!! Nasty! What sheeple these greedy gurus really are themselves!!!
These greedy guru types only understand COLD, HARD CASH. Morals and values seem to be something they actually have very little concept of or else why even support an abusive and sexist marketer like the Rich Jerk? And they have HUGELY endorsed him with a grand coming out party at the Playboy mansion and PROUDLY proclaimed it everywhere in the emails and marketing forums.
Here’s how we fight back against them and their hero the Rich Jerk.
Hit them where it counts – in their pocket book. (That’s all these types really care about!)
1) UNSUBSCRIBE from their LISTS
2) Cancel Memberships and don’t buy their products. There are many other just as good marketers you can buy stuff from. Most of these greedy guru types are just really flashy type marketers who love the limelight and fame.
If they want to throw the Rich Jerks morals and values at us by endorsing him and happily supporting him, we can fight back at them. We don’t need to put up with this crap from them.
Send them a nice message in the pocketbook. Only money talks to these greedy freaks.
June 25th, 2007 at 1:17 am
“Gurus”…
“Highly regarded marketer”…
I think your good book says something about worshiping false idols.
Perhaps this is a reality check if you have false idol or two with their hand in your pocket.
June 25th, 2007 at 9:46 am
I am glad I am not the only one in the business who thinks this is in poor taste.
I posted a similar article on my blog:
http://whattheweb.maximwebhost.com/2007/06/24/rich-jerk-drags-affiliate-marketers-to-a-new-low-an-event-at-the-playboy-mansion/
June 25th, 2007 at 11:08 am
Porn does not harm people, only thier reaction to it and lack of boundaries harm them.
June 25th, 2007 at 11:16 am
Wow! Great post and I love all of the coments. Some very good points have been made in the comments, post, etc. I also say good job on posting it. So many people are afraid to say what they think for fear that it might offend someone.
Isn’t it the think & Grow Rich book that says “If everybody likes you, then you are probably not doing much.”
I agree with Paul. He shouldn’t go. Not even to the pre-event. Assosiating yourself in any way with something that you don;t believe in is wrong. No compromise!!!!
However, I also admire Paul stating that if this stuff is not offensive to you…Then by all means….Go!
Just don’t compromise who you say you are. I would rather assosiate with a bunch of people who oppose my views who are honest and true to who they are than I would with a bunch of Christians who go against their beliefs 6 days a week. At least the opposers are honest and true to their integrity.
Anyhow…I have a ton to say but mostely.. Cheers for people who are not afraid of what they believe. Cheers to Paul for having the courage to make this post. and….For the record, I would not go to the Playboy party either.
June 25th, 2007 at 12:05 pm
Thank you Paul for taking a stand! I will personally be unsubscribing from the people attending. Tacky, tacky, tacky to all the rest of you . If enough people complained or would not go to this event, it would send a message.
Each one of those playboy bunnies is someones daughter , sister etc. Don’t tell me people care about me as a subscriber , when they can’t even value me as a women. How sad. Whatever happened to doing business in a business like enviornment? Are the interenet marketers so greedy for that next dollar that they will appeal to baser elements to get more men there? I think how you make more money is to not be offensive and people will want to do business with you. Is that so old school ? And is it so old school to have an opinion about what is truly repulsive? I laugh at people who think they can be around debauchery and not let it affect their thinking . I personally have at least one friend whose marriage was destroyed by pronography. To reply to the man who said that Jesus wouldn’t have a problem with being in this situation, please! He first of all told us not to do things that were harmful to another person’s conscious( or let ours!) and and then He told us to avoid the appearcnce of evil and that whatever we reap, we sow. If I was awife of one of the internet marketers attending , you better believe there would be some huge problems. And if anyone thinks I’m self righteous, I think not. There is only one perfect person and believe me, He has given us more than enough instruction about dealing with immoral situations. Read Proversbs 5 about the harlot, then you’ll know what to expect at the convention.
Thank you Paul!
Elaine
June 25th, 2007 at 12:57 pm
Wise move Paul. It’s jusy OH SO EASY to sell your soul for a few more bucks!! I applaud your stance!
June 25th, 2007 at 5:55 pm
I applaud your actions. if you don’t stand up for what you believe, then you’ll fall for anything.
If the only way to get people to this function is by associating the event with Playboy the content can’t be much good. Why would any want to cheapen themselves and their image by hanging in a house disigned to exploit women.
good move
cheers
rowan Shead
June 25th, 2007 at 6:21 pm
Hey Paul. Your stance is 100% echoed from here. And you’re not alone. Here’s what SEO expert Russell Wright wrote a couple days ago:
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“There is a phenomenon in psychology called “snapping” when someone has a sudden unexpected personality change- and starts taking drastic measures.
“I think that happened to me today.
“Understand, I am not lashing out at any one person. I have no idea exactly what caused my snapping, but it seemed to be connected to the 5 internet marketing e-mails asking me to join “Rich Jerk” over at the Playboy mansion.
“I found myself unsubscribing- quite suddenly- to five different Internet Marketing lists with an unexpected queasy feeling in my stomach. I had not suspected that I would EVER unsubscribe from some of these lists.
“I don’t think this feeling has much to do with the idea of “Playboy” itself, but was perhaps a lethal combination of Internet Marketing “product launch” mentality combined with the “dream selling” value proposition.
“I simply snapped.
“Unsubscribe, unsubscribe, unsubscribe.
“Doubtless the entire Internet Marketing product launch community skews mostly male. It doesn’t take an Einstein to figure this one out. I noticed there were no female Internet Marketers on the sales page for this chin dig. (I could be wrong about that).
“Anyway. For what its worth, I think it is important to carefully consider the value proposition projected to a market. I would be interested in seeing the numbers and the conversion on the “Playboy Mansion” letter.
“I also wonder what the collective “unsubscribe” was for the boys sending this stuff out.”
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~ Darryl
June 25th, 2007 at 7:09 pm
I am reminded of two things regarding this issue. The first is Paul’s missionary trip to Ephesus recorded in Acts 19. The town’s people cried, “Great is Diana of the Ephesians!” for two solid hours.
For those of you who do not know, Diana was the Greek goddess of love. The temple for this goddess was in Ephesus. The worship involved much pornography and fornication!
I would say that the playboy mansion is a modern day temple to the goddess Diana – full of wealth and filth!
The second thing I am reminded of is Proverbs 6:27-29 “Can a man take fire into his bosom, and his clothes not be burned? Can one go upon hot coals, and his feet not be burned? So he that goeth in to his neighbor’s wife; whosoever toucheth her shall not be innocent.” This includes any sexual relationship and lust in the mind that is outside the bounds of marriage.
Also, for those of you who think there is nothing wrong with mingling with the group networking, think about who is hosting the program. 1 Thessalonians 5:22 says “Abstain from ALL appearance of evil.” This is definitely an appearance of evil!
Thank you for your stand, Paul!
Chris Ayars
C & C Enterprises
http://www.HeavensWings.net
June 25th, 2007 at 8:14 pm
Paul – I’m a Christian and I agree with you 100%. In fact, I agree so fully that I’ve subscribed to your RSS. Thanks!
~Adam
June 25th, 2007 at 9:31 pm
My angry and passionate rant against the idiot elites of internet marketing…
The argument many of these false gurus have for endorsing the Rich Jerk party at the Playboy mansion is that they are ONLY going there to support a charity. Yeah right. That is like saying they ONLY read Playboy or Hustler for the articles. Like Clinton trying marijuana but NOT inhaling! What a major load of crap!
One goody goody (barf) guru said he was only going to the Playboy mansion for the ***charity**** and because his grandkids wouldn’t forgive him if he didn’t go and it’s … for charity. Oh really!!
First of all – WHAT CHARITY?? No one mentions which charity exactly by name because in truth ***it is not important.*** It’s a red herring to throw everyone off. They never even advertise the charity’s name. For all I know all the proceeds will probably go straight into some gurus pocketbook.
Again another sleigh of hand trick to draw attention off the fact that these “family guy” gurus are actually endorsing and standing up for The Rich Jerk and all his values and ethics and lack thereof by attending the event. You hang out with sleaze and you become sleaze BY ASSOCIATION!. (Sleaze rhymes with the last name of one of these so called goody goody type greedy gurus.) In emails sent out they claimed they hate the Rich Jerk’s type marketing of pornography and abusive language ( the goody goody guru (barf) said he is the anti-Rich Jerk!!) and yet these clowns are supporting and endorsing the Rich Jerk at a no name Charity event. Hypocrites!! These greedy gurus are really insulting everyone’s intelligent by trying to pass this jerk-off event as nothing. (Like they care – they’d sell their right hand to make even a little extra cash).
What next: these “family type” greedy gurus will support some no name charity event put out by Joe Francis of Girls Gone Wild fame. Yeah maybe the charity will be in support of all the underage girls he allegedly raped and filmed. Yeah support and do business with sleazy and morally disgusting people as long as it’s for some no name CHARITY!! OOOh how pious you greedy gurus are!!! The Rich Jerk sets the tone at this event and the sheeple follow suit.
Why even associate with sleazy type people like the Rich Jerk in the first place?
Because they don’t give a shit about the Rich Jerk’s disgusting portrayal of women and his abusive exploitative language. These greedy gurus are salivating like mad dogs over the prospect of getting the horny male demographics (14-42) by promoting more porn pictures and abusive language in the copywriting. These fake gurus don’t give a darn about respect and decency towards women in general by their association and endorsement of the Rich Jerk at the Playboy mansion as they are doing.
I am unsubscribing from their lists and have even cancelled memberships because I have lost all respect for these gurus who talk out of both sides of their mouths. I have now seen them in a different ugly light and I don’t like what I see. I used to have so much respect for alot of them but this has just confirmed alot of unanswered questions I had about these guys and always giving them the benefit of the doubt.
They’ve duped me long enough and I will not support any of them. I don’t support sleazy marketers. There are enough good people out there to give my hard earned money to other than these ingrate spoiled brats.
No wonder internet marketing has such a swampland sewer and snake oil salesman (and used car salesman) bad reputation stench to it. With internet marketing leaders such as these clowns this industry has sunk even lower – if that’s even possible.
June 26th, 2007 at 12:37 am
Hi Paul,
You have just grown in my respect. I also have had to choose not to corrupt my morals for the sake of money. Many epublishers sell erotica, I refuse to do this, and lose a lot of money because of it. But Christians need to make a stand and I support you wholeheartedly for having done so.
June 26th, 2007 at 12:45 am
Paul,
Thank you! Thank YOU!! THANK YOU!!! I agree. I concurr. I applaud.
Now let us continue to shine the light into the darkness of this greedy world.
John Neff
June 26th, 2007 at 8:53 am
Paul,
Thank you for your stand against Playboy and what it represents, and against the Rich Jerk, and what he represents. Frankly there is not a rat’s nose-hair bit of difference between the Rich Jerk and a crack dealer down on the corner, outside of the product for sale. His tactics as well as his message is the same as that of a shady, corner drug dealer. Frankly, his products are not that great either and anyone with a few hours of time can do enough research to gather up all of the so-called “marketing” techniques he uses for free. Thanks for taking a stand.
David T. McKee
June 26th, 2007 at 12:16 pm
Thank you, Paul!
I learned of you via a search; I will now subscribe and buy any of your products or services I can.
May our God bless you, your family, and all your associates for your willingness to stand against the sinful degradation of our society.
Paul
June 26th, 2007 at 1:54 pm
Dear Paul,
I have read alot of the post and it is very interesting to see people’s thought processes.
So here’s mine. What you do in private is private. What you do with your business endeavors is public and quite another thing altogether because now you involve other people…
When I recieved an email from John Reese ( a family guy?) nonchallantly telling me about this event, I thought how crass. How insulting to just assume everyone thinks like he does , that it’s okay. Please! I have never been on the Rich Jerk’s mailing list becasue he seems like anything but a professional. So here I get an email that might as well be called spam.
Several people have commented here about not thinking pornography is bad. I think the more accurate statement is that it is not appropriate. If someone can be fired from their job for viewing pornographic websites using the company computer, ( and I know someone who has), then is this the professional way of doing business? ( Especailly considering the way some people view internet marketers. ) You would think they would want to maintain some level of credibility, being that the internet marketying is still in it’s infancy.
Thank you Paul for drawing the line.
If these people are tryng to raise money for charity event, this doesn’t seem like the best way to get people to attend, by polarizing and offending an entire segment of people. Bad move.
I’ve heard several comments about not judging and about being open minded. How about every act your perform has comes with a consecquence (judgement), like it or not . How about the saying that says , even a child is known by his actions. And how about not being so open minded that your brain leaks out. Do this people realize that the largest group of people who buy on the internet are women? How smart is that to potentially degrade and humiliate them ? Well, I guess that’s why they say common sense is not so common anymore.
Thank you for caring and listening to everyone’s opinions.
Elaine
June 26th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
“The ones you mention (or not mention, I know
who they are)would sell the skin off a dead cat
if it meant they would get their face in the public
eye.”
Sounds something like a promo for the movie “Face Off” where they did sell the skin off their face….or something….I never did see it.
I happen to be an open minded – conservative Christian. What that means to me is that instead of handing out fliers and having my face turn red over issues that the Bible never really says much about, I would just prefer to decline and call it a non-issue. Members of my Church used to sit on the railroad tracks that lead into plants that processed uranium or something. HO-hum.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
In the 50’s and 60’s business leaders preferred that women stay at home. pregnant and barefoot. Now the business leaders in internet marketing prefer women to be at home in a Playboy mansion and skimpily dressed.
They have all shown us their true colors. “But, but, but I’m a family man”. You can call yourself the King of England but it’s your ACTIONS and who you ASSOCIATE with (thus lending them CREDIBILTY) that determine who you are, not what words yo call yourself. And to think I listened to these moral idiots for personal development advice.
Thankfully not all businessmen are as socially backwards, sexist and disrespectful to women as these current internet marketing cavemen are. Do business with folks you respect and these cavemen will die out very soon. Good riddance.
June 26th, 2007 at 7:32 pm
UMMM…..It’s so sad to still have people out there who against all odds will support Immorality, indecency and anything called SIN!! It makes me feel very bad and it has turned our world upside down. Paul, I really appreciate your stand and I want you to keep maintaining it. There are many things too many people do not understand and many will get to understand after they exit this Planet…at the border of the Eternal Gates.
How sad it is for men just to feel that they can do anything they want at anytime. What will lead to the regret of many at the latter time is their own IGNORANCE & STUBBORNNESS to shy away from the truth. It’s so sad to still have people around these days, who still say that pornography doesn’t matter. I think such people should re-think and I believe such people need Help. To every action every man does here on earth, there is a record. It’s so sad that man doesn’t learn on time.
I think it’s all a matter of choice. That is one thing I think God has given to men, that makes man do anything he wants: CHOICE. Choice to do anything you want. Choice to live your life the way you want it. Choice to keep on sleeping with as many girls as you want. choice to despise God and follow after mundain things that will get no man anywhere. RJ has made a choice of his life, to be who he is….but it’s sad. How I wish he chose rightly. Everyman’s choice will fetch him either one of two things: LIFE OR DEATH! And for those who are planning to attend, what if that was the last event you attended in your life? Do you know what you’re doing? You’re promoting immorality, violence and sin which God hates. If those Internet Marketers out there have thought of one thing:”That what if they never saw Tommorrow”, what would happen? The whole money they’ve worked for, all gone and they are left with nothing but their naked body to stand before the Almighty God to face a Judgment they’ve never encountered in thier entire life. A word they say is enough for the wise.
Paul, I really appreciate your modesty, Godliness and Integrity. Please, don’t compromise it. This is not the time to compromise, because time is just to short to Compromise.
Remain Blessed.
June 26th, 2007 at 7:37 pm
Thank you Paul. I didn’t read this when I first received it as I dislike intensely the concept of positionning oneself as “The Rich Jerk” and avoid anything connected to him. However, RJ was more palatable — and thus I read this. Kudos to you! Congratulations on having integrity and morals. The question everyone attending needs to ask themselves is: If it were your daughter in those little bunny ears, would you be so willing to attend?
June 26th, 2007 at 9:44 pm
Paul,
We know each other, and I like and respect you… but these are YOUR beliefs and convictions. You chose not to be a part of something that conflicted with your values, and there is nothing wrong with that. Actually, I commend you for it.
However, this event does not conflict with my values, nor does it conflict with those of many of our mutual marketing friends. In my opinion, your post is an attack on those who don’t agree with your beliefs, and you’ve created a “moral boundary” based on YOUR perceptions of right and wrong.
To insinuate that anyone who disagrees, attends the party and God forbid, crosses that boundary and promotes the event is not a family man (or woman) and/or lacks morality is just ludicrous. To presume we don’t have honor or aren’t “family oriented” is irresponsible.
Some of the marketers who are promoting this event have an extremely high level of integrity and strong business ethics. They have a loyal following because they deliver value and they have a track record for doing so.
The choice to go or not to go is a personal one, but I would go as far as to say what you “stand for” is irrelevant… and your choice to “sling mud” at those of us who don’t agree with you “personally” and/or don’t want to pass up the networking event of a lifetime was in poor taste, and I dare say, not without an agenda.
Regarding the pornography-violence connection:
There is no definitive proof that pornography has anything to do with violence against the opposite sex. We could examine the arguments from both sides fence (pro-censorship vs. pro-freedom) and still have nothing conclusive. Evaluate the research and you’ll find evidence tainted by the perceptions and intentions of the individuals and/or groups conducting the research.
That being said, it is my personal experience that has led me to the conclusion that REPRESSION is one of the biggest contributing factors to obsession. I grew up with many friends who were raised by strict “conservative” parents, and I’ve seen the first hand effects of repression. More often than not, I’ve seen it “backfire” on the parent.
Sidenote: for those who like to read into things, I’m not condoning pornography for children. I’m simply suggesting that censorship would not keep people from looking at pornography.
I’m proud to be going to an awesome event in a historic piece of America, and I’m looking forward to hanging with some of my friends. I’m taking my significant other with me, and she’s even more excited than I am. We’ll think of you while swimming in the grotto!
Cheers,
Tim Erway
P.S. Though I disagree with you, I still like and respect you as a marketer. I wouldn’t dare make the decision to unsubscribe myself from your newsletter based on a personal difference. I hope those on your list won’t unsubscribe from the lists of Yanik Silver, Mike Filsaime, John Reese or my list because they disagree with us. But if they want to miss out on some good marketing information, so be it.
June 27th, 2007 at 12:22 am
Hey Tim,
This is the first post I felt compelled to reply to individually.
You said, “In my opinion, your post is an attack on those who don’t agree with your beliefs”
In my opinion, my post wasn’t an attack on anybody. It certainly wasn’t intended to be.
In fact, if you read both of the relevant posts carefully, you will see that I have allowed for the fact that some people don’t have a conflict because they don’t think there’s anything wrong with pornography. Or there are some who may think there’s something wrong with pornography, but don’t think their attendance at the Playboy Mansion is in conflict with that belief.
But if someone DOES share my beliefs about pornography, then I would hope my post would make them think a little about what their actions are saying if they attend this event
You said, “To insinuate that anyone who disagrees, attends the party and God forbid, crosses that boundary and promotes the event is not a family man (or woman) and/or lacks morality is just ludicrous. To presume we don’t have honor or aren’t “family oriented†is irresponsible.”
Did you even read my followup post?
You said, “I would go as far as to say what you “stand for†is irrelevant… ”
And I say what a person “stands for” (as evidenced by their actions, not just their words) is the only thing that matters!
You said, “…your choice to “sling mud†at those of us who don’t agree with you “personally†and/or don’t want to pass up the networking event of a lifetime was in poor taste, and I dare say, not without an agenda.”
Tim, I really don’t feel my post was a case of slinging mud. And there was no agenda. This was not some kind of “be controversial” marketing ploy. I was simply stating how I feel about the whole thing, and I believe I did so in a fair and reasonable manner.
This is not the place to debate pornography’s effect on society. But I thought it interesting that you referred to that debate as “pro-censorship vs. pro-freedom” — I never said anything about censorship or regulating people’s right to view pornography. I prefer to refer to the argument as “pro-pornography” vs “anti-pornography” (e.g. is pornography good for society, or is it bad for society) . . .
But again, the whole issue I’m talking about here is with those who would say they are anti-pornography and yet still feel it’s not a conflict of interest to attend this event.
Best,
Paul
June 27th, 2007 at 2:23 am
I commend your integrity and morality. Making a quick buck is NOT a reason to compromise your integrity and morality. Quite frankly I was disgusted by the images on the website promoting the event.
To be very honest I’ve lost respect for the marketers taking part in these events and will regard all their claims with serious doubt as to their merit.
June 27th, 2007 at 3:45 am
Paul,
Thanks for being brave and standing up and saying what most of us did not have the nerve to, but surely felt. Frankly I am shocked, that so many marketers are attending such an event AND it is hosted by someone that many of them claim to deplore. Now that’s hypocrisy.
June 27th, 2007 at 6:03 am
……i don’t get it ….in the states everybody freaks out about nudity
ok i don’t like perverse anything , that includes deviant sex in print or any other medium……but i can go to the theatre…heck, i can turn on the teli
and see people getting eviscerated, tortured , shot ,mutilated, decapitated
blown-up, dis-membered, squished, beaten up badly,and burned alive!
and that’s just wholesome fare for the american family….and the greatest horror of all : is the ethiopian cabbie who lives in my court and parks right next to the dumpster every night and still tosses his fast food acoutrements
out the window onto the parking lot without any innate idea that this is bad
now that brings up this….instead of worrying about some ugly rich men
fondling beautiful women at a party and wasting your morality on
the very least tasteless “nudie magazine”…you and your boyfriend should be fighting the good fight against VIOLENCE…not trying with all your might
to prevent folks from seeing a breast,bum, or heaven forbid , a penis in
any visual art form or mass media scenario. For cryin’ out loud … it’s not
like the naked body is perverse and deviant……we were made in God’s
image afterall , and remember ,it was an evil influence that made Adam
and Eve ashamed of their nakedness…….not the God that watched them playing in the garden ! in essence find a better cause bro !…there’s a
duodecillion of ‘em out there waitin’ for a fella like you ! kiss kiss !
June 27th, 2007 at 6:07 am
…ya’ll won’t post this …it’s too logical.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:46 pm
Paul,
I’m sorry we didn’t get to spend more time getting to know one another in Denver this past weekend at Jeff Walker’s event. I just spent a good amount of time reading this comment thread, and I see now that we have many values in common.
I am especially impressed by your civil and clearly-thought-out point of view on this matter.
I think it was helpful for you to state your position. I am sure there are many who have been struggling with this decision. Your well-crafted post may have helped some of those people come to clarity about whether they should attend or not.
I don’t feel your post attacked or belittled anyone else’s belief system. It seems to me it was more of a carefully considered statement about why this event was not right for you. You made it clear that the decision is each person’s to make on their own.
And just for the record: I too am a Christian. I would love to network with my pals at this event. But I can’t square attending an event at the Playboy Mansion with m y beliefs. I certainly couldn’t be very proud of it when trying to explain it to my wife and son. So I’ll have to take a “pass” on this one.
Paul, thanks for your candor and for taking a bit of a risk. I appreciate it.
June 28th, 2007 at 3:01 pm
Hi Paul,
The truth is that people like yourself and I and others are not in the minority.
Though Kelly Felix (aka. Rich Jerk) would have us believe that the persona he invented is purely satiricle and harmless and that only “loosers” would be opposed to such filthy language, mistreatment of women, and endorsement of pornography and promisuity…
He is in fact in the minority.
It is bad business to email or blither on publicly about your sexual promiscuity and lack of respect for women, family, and other people in general.
Kelly (aka Rich Jerk) thinks that this is “success” being able to say what he wants and make money doing it.
I have a different definition of success and his behavior has gone from cute to wildly disrespectful in a way that probably would ashame his own mother.
I too am shocked by the public behavior and even language used in forums by those who are attending the event and forgot that speaking perversely about women in forums is not only unacceptable to most rational business people but also will negatively impact their business, reputation, and own clientbase perminately.
I also was shocked when I saw people rationalizing why they should attend such an event and attempting to insult or put others down for standing up and speaking out against such rediculousness.
Embarassing is the way I described it in the warrior forum where it got 3 pages of responses (most in support) and 2000 views in one day before the entire thread was deleted due to the negative reaction toward those who are promoting this garbage and their excuses.
Kelly (aka the Rich Jerk) posted a response himself in the warrior forum to defend against some alligations such as the fact that the “charity” he supposedly is raising funds for was not aware of his event etc.
Unfortunately he did not just post to defend himself against false alligations but he felt it necessary to post “insults” and act in his “character” and use his pen name instead of coming out like a man to address things in reality.
For me the embarassing behavior of those endorsing this event, begging people to send them money to attend it, and those promoting it is a real eye opener.
People, can be led to drop their guard and forget who they are and who their clients are at the drop of the hat simply because they want to feel “cool” and participate in some adolescent fantasy.
I posted a rebuttal to Kelly in the warrior forum without anger or venom but to keep the positive nature of the warrior forum alive both threads the one started by me and the one started by the Rich Jerk were deleted.
There is a time that right minded and rational people who have respect for others stand up and let people know that is appropriate and what is not.
Anyone who does not realize how absolutely idiotic it is to speak this way and promote such things to your client base needs to get their head checked and simply take a poll of their own client base to get their opinion.
June 28th, 2007 at 3:23 pm
Bravo to you Paul!
Josh Anderson already posted a very good synopsis of what transpired yesterday on the Warrior Forum so I won’t bother repeating it. For foru straight pages (over 100 printed pages in PDF) we discussed the marketing used to promote this party, and then we also discussed the charity aspect of the promotion.
Because the thread was taken down, I wanted to take the time to visit your post because it seems to be one of the best places to discuss this in depth without fear of it being removed.
I applaud you for taking a stand! As a female marketer who has been doing this for ten years, I have seen some crazy stuff, but nothing as blatantly offensive as this. Anyone who has supported this, promoted it, or otherwise attached themselves to this should be ashamed to call themselves an Internet Marketer.
The Internet has leveled the playing field for so many people: women, minorities, the disabled…Kelly and his “Internet Marketing Lemmings” as I like to refer to them, have gone about undoing as much of this progress as possible in the shortest amount of time.
I can only hope that the result will be top-name marketers coming out and denouncing this entire thing and hopefully, apologizing for their role in it.
I have a Squidoo lens where we are discussing this, and I have created a “Wall of Fame” for Internet marketers who have refused to support this event and the marketing used to promote it. Paul, you will have the VERY next spot on that “Wall of Fame” and I’m proud to be able to put you there for all to see.
I encourage anyone else who has been impressed by a marketer who has refused to support this, to add their names as well. The link is my name for this comment.
One thing that I think marketers who have supported this need to know: This involvement with something like this, especially the marketing used to promote it, is a slap in the face. When I have my credit card out, or I give a marketer my email address to opt-in to their list, or I’m “playing nice” I’m well-respected. But once the promos for this party started, it was, as I say on my lens, the metaphorical equivalent of being told, “Run along little girl…the grownups are talking now”.
As long as I’m handing out my email address and forking over my credit card number, I’m worthy. But as soon as something as foul and offensive as this comes along, I’m kicked to the curb.
I’m done playing nice…and I’m not afraid of “gurus” and their “cool crowd” where they all slap each other on the back and have a good laugh at stuff like this.
To the marketers who promoted this: You are on notice….by women AND men. Your supposed authority has now been highly questioned, and your credibility is circling the drain. Stand up and say something for yourselves. We deserve much better than this.
June 29th, 2007 at 9:19 am
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June 29th, 2007 at 9:02 pm
Hi all,
I stumbled across this discussion following a thread from the RJ “invite”. I’m amazed at what I’m reading. Not hte post… which I think is excellent… but some of the responses.
I support everybody’s reason for not attending while not in agreement with any of them.
I’m able to do so because I respect our (not just your) right to disagree.
What amazes me, though, is how easy it is to proclaim a high moral ground and then move to judgement and condemnation. My understanding of both Christianity AND Islam is that there is a specific prequalification for casting the first stone.
I agree wholeheartedly with Gary Sparks and wonder why I haven’t heard the “internet marketing community” take a position on not just the things he mentioned but the absurdity of posturing like the “green movement” is progressive when, in a world of staving people, there is support for feeding ‘human food’ to SUVs.
Peace
July 5th, 2007 at 5:47 pm
I question just how much work will get done at a gathering like that. Then what does that say to all of the female IMers. If I am going to go someplace for business then that is what I want to do business. If I am going for fun then fun is what I want. As far as pornography increasing sexual abuse, and causing violence against women, well…….pornography is not a cause, but just another expression of the same thing. The Western concepts that sex is dirty, and/or sinful is one of the major causes of these aberrations.
July 13th, 2007 at 1:45 pm
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July 16th, 2007 at 9:06 pm
Paul:
I believe the discussion about the Rich Jerk’s event at the Playboy Mansion is healthy for the Internet Marketing industry.
I’m grateful to have read your point of view, as well as many of the opinions posted on this page.
Thank you for discussing this issue in an open and honest fashion.
Patrick Pretty
September 4th, 2007 at 10:11 pm
Amen brother, it is about time we started calling it the way we see it and not try to be so political correct. keep it real. thanks jimir
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